This is a weird little rant. But I think it’s absolutely bullshit we learn Spanish in American schools and not ASL. English is the number one spoken language in the world. We are choosing to teach a language simply because we have a real hard on for minorities. Minorities who are making a choice not to learn a language in the country they live. People who are deaf are not making that choice. It would make more sense to learn mandarin over Spanish because it’s the second most spoken language.
If you live in places where Chinese is even spoken??? Where I live there is virtually no Chinese. Where the hell am going to use that in a real world scenario? Why would you call it filthy and disgusting to learn a second language btw? are you broken in the head my dear? You can usually chose from Spanish French German in most public schools.
Honesty why would you want to learn mandarin at all in the USA… unless you live in LA or SF OR NY. Who the fuck speaks mandarin in Kentucky? Are you really this dense
The whole point is we should learn ASL instead. Because you’ll come in contact with a decent amount of deaf people. It’s also not that unlikely that you could lose your hearing either. But it’s still make more sense to learn mandarin over Spanish due to the amount of the world that speaks it. I have no problem with learning a second language. If I moved anywhere else, I would learn the native language. Wether they spoke English or not. I also already know ASL and German. >>166850
Are you so dense that what I was saying just went over your head? We shouldn’t learn mandarin. We should learn ASL because people who are deaf aren’t making an active choice to be deaf. But Spanish immigrants are making an active choice to move to an English speaking country not knowing or learning the language. We expect deaf people to just read lips or figure it out. They can’t learn how to hear again. Things on packages are in both English and Spanish but don’t have brail. We’re choosing to be inclusive to minorities and living out people with disabilities.
how the fuck was the point of an argument as simple as this missed so fucking badly? How's about we take a look at how you did in reading comprehension :D
Anyway, coming from another country with mandatory 2nd language taught in schools, yes I do believe teaching sign language would be way more beneficial. Weird how that didn't even come across as a viable option to replace the mandatory one
>we learn Spanish in American schools
I didn't, spanish was an optional class along with French and german.
Spanish is probably most commonly taught because its the second most common language in the USA (not fucking mandarin) making it a useful skill, especially for those working at specific jobs with a need for some people with at least basic spanish communication skills.
I do think ASL would be very useful, that's actually an excellant idea.
>boomer ramblings about muh immigrants
Yah this is bait
You better start learning how to say sorry in Russian bitch
Except there’s actually more deaf people in the United States than they’re are Spanish people. It’s not bait and it’s not about hating immigrants. It’s about the fact that we leave people with disabilities to fend for themselves. My great grandparents, grandparents, and most of my family all came from Eastern Europe in the 60s and learned to speak English. So why can’t people living in a modern world? >>166859
I agree. Although I think ASL should be an option alongside Spanish, and instead of French or German, which are completely irrelevant. A lesson or two in English class on Latin and Greek word roots would be better than four years of those two.
A small amount of ASL should be mandatory, even. The basic niceties, donde esta la biblioteca, etc.
It would be neat to see what everyone knowing basic ASL would change. Imagine the little arguments about masking, with the added element of most people being able to conduct daily communal tasks without speaking and spitting everywhere. Or little moments in our movies that would make them less globally accessible lol.
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Lol @ the point about Mandarin derailing this.
Good luck finding 130,000 ASL teachers and paying for them in a system that is dropping even english and math as courses.
Second language + ASL (or your countries equivalent of sign language) should be mandatory.
In my state LGBT history is mandatory to graduate middle school. There are enough teachers.
You just need to read few books and wiki articles to add LGBT history to your teaching skillset. ASL requires way more..
OP is the kind of tourist who goes to a non-exglish country without learning the basic of its native language & then gets mad at the people living there for not knowing perfect english.
Met too many of these porks….
Real issue is that they don’t teach you both (and more). Not sure about ASL, but it’s very easy to become an intermediate to advanced speaker of Spanish, French, and other similar languages is one year. And that’s a generous amount of time. Yet people from English speaking countries spend 10 years taking language classes and end up barely able to say hello.
In my experience, teachers waste too much time on lists of nouns and topics that aren’t useful in daily life. They don’t spend enough time on verbs and conjugation. Plus immersion is practically non-existant. No one mentions shortcuts for telling male vs female nouns, rules for cognates, etc either.
>>166881> If I moved anywhere else, I would learn the native language. Wether they spoke English or not. I also already know ASL and German.
Learn howwww to read
I cannot tell you the amount of times I wish I was (completely) taught Spanish in school. (I live in the us) it would have been WAY more useful to me than ASL. I've never ONCE needed Asl or mandarin. I learned 3 levels of spanish, but because it was really incomplete I never used it much and forgot most of it.
The only reason mandarin is the most spoken language is because of native speakers. English is the most spoken across the world.>>166942
Apparently you didn’t need Spanish either if you forgot it.
I agree on this so much! I think in general school should teach more actual useful stuff, like first aid, how to fix clothes and the type of stuff you just do everyday.
Not only I don't care about the difference between taiga and tundra but it has 0 uses in my life, I'd rather wish I was told how to do first aid properly or how an extinguisher works.
Lol americans are so monolingual theyd rather learn english twice
I came to this thread JUST to post this!
taking an asl class right now and absolutely failing
I haven't met a single deaf person in my entire life.
>tfw no deaf bf to sign lovey-dovey gestures with and be dependent on you in noisy situations
British hands wrote this
They had ASL at my high school. As well as Spanish and Italian. Italian made sense though because I lived in an area where there were lots of Italians. Also, do you know how hard it is to learn a second language? Shouldn’t call people lazy for not wanting to do it, no matter what their first language is.
if you wanted to walk into another country on your own continent, the country above you speaks the same language (and french a bit maybe but everyone knows your language) the country below you speaks spanish and then all the other countries further to the south speak spanish afaik.
how is spanish not the best possible choice for this situation. it maximizes your ability to communicate with people from countries nearest to you.
in and around europe you couludn't do that. you couldn't just learn one language and then speak to everyone for as far as you can walk. there are dozens of languages you could walk to.
>english, french, spanish, german, portuguese, polish, dutch, swedish, finnish, italian, greek, arabian, turkish, russian, chinese, ….
what's wrong with spanish? maybe some spanish kid bullied you. in that case fuck em!
Never ever have I come across anyone deaf, but I have met some Spanish speakers…
Also Spanish is usefull if hoy want to go to any other country in your continent.
Sign languages are useless to learn in almost all cases. All deaf people understand the written form of whatever language is spoken in their country. You can use your phone or even a piece of paper to communicate with them, in the off chance that you actually run into a random deaf person on the street.
Americans are retarded if they actually think ASL is more useful to learn than Spanish.
>trash and major source of crime