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It's an amalgam of many things now, what other ideology comes in waves like that.
Just make different words for the different currents when needed

Feminism used to be about equality between genders, now it's just a way to degrade the opposite sex in my opinion. It became wayyy too radicalized and I can't personally feel part of it anymore, sure some guys suck but so do some women. Things are not always black and white.

Once a feminist, always a feminist.

>>314422
> some guys suck
understatement of the century

>>314422
it’s not, it’s about liberation of women

It’s packaged as freedom but it’s about making women into repulsive incels. How is it empowering to let yourself go and catch diseases. Basically like that degenerate fat uncle that lives alone spending his free time drinking, smoking and fucking hookers. You become genetic dead end while someone else’s kid will your home and stuff when you die.
What’s empowering of just punching the clock only to live hand to mouth.
It’s a scam by cluster b lesbians. First wave was legit. After that it’s been and social and mental degradation. These people are gonna have poor health outcomes and shorter lives. Nothing empowering at all

My main ones (at least for here) are that
>Muslims/Islam aren't evil and I don't care if a woman follows Islam
>I honestly don't really care if someone's trans and will probably gender them right if they bother to try and pass and don't try to coerce people into sleeping with them (I don't "respect" the rapists, pedos, or other scum of earth ones though)
>I don't think misandry is real but I do believe women can abuse and sexually assault/rape men, I also think women can rape/be raped by other women

>>314425
You completely put what I said out of context. Men get abused too, both physically and emotionally, so many fathers get separated from their kids because the wife wants child support, there are many instanced like this. Men get raped too. Men can have struggles too. People tend to discard these things because of what women go through, in truth both genders go through struggles.

>>314427
It used to be about having the same rights as men, such as being able to vote and work for example.

Sex is just hormonal profiles and that only goes so far. Sometimes feminists engage in the sort of gender essentialism that I'm trying to escape. Women and men are extremely similar psychologically but people don't really see the forest for the trees. Studies having to do with brain structures or personality dimensions usually include findings along the lines of gender groups being more similar than different, and variance within genders being larger than between them. Still, those studies are filtered to the general population through pop-science clickbait articles that make sure to emphasize every little possible difference à la "Wahmen be multi-tasking??" or "The surprising reason why you can beat your husband in Scrabble!!!"

I know misandry posting is usually just memes but most people have some level of real in-group bias. Being cognizant of the fact that we operate under similar psychological insticts, I can't be too mad at anti-feminist, pro-male men. A man's passionate reaction to real or perceived misandry is obviously the same impulse that I have when I perceive misogyny. If I was a man, I would likely also believe the weird shit that they believe about women. Realizing that, I'm hopeful that men can also chuckle to themselves and admit that they might be a bit Dworked out too if they happened to have gotten the X chromosome from their dad. That they'd be as miffed as the average woman is if their gender was the one that every major world religion had made some "stfu in church" rules about, if their gender was the one forced under might-makes-right to be living as second class citizens until recently. Atleast we have the pyrrhic victory of our gender grievances having more basis in truth and consequence than "me too went too far" or whatever

Everything involving intersectionalism. These pieces of shit are just champagne nazis.

>>314453
>and don't try to coerce people into sleeping with them
I have some bad news for you nona

>>314552
To be fair that's meant to refer to trannies who don't go mald mode over people who don't sleep with them. It's the trutrans idea, there are radfems or radfem leaning people like Arielle Scarcella who subscribe to the same line of thinking

>>314521
Femininity and masculinity is biological men and women are polar opposites as SEX. There's feminine and masculine humans.

>>314579
Nah it's trash socialization men use to manipulate and coerce women into looking like/ behaving how they desire for access to sex.

Only men pretend to have this opinion

my 'hot' feminist take is that women are genuinely superior to men in every way and all men are meant to do is serve women.

men shouldn't be allowed to wear sweatpants and running shoes and casual athleisure outside. they should only wear nice clothing like slacks, buttoned shirts, and dress shoes. men shouldn't be allowed to be comfortably ugly

>>314591
Accept TONS of women only end up behaving like this woman

https://www.reddit.com/r/AmIOverreacting/s/BbgfNIsM6c

Having no spine and not knowing how to protect yours? Having your kids around a man like that ? Women who only know how to be accommodating / passive aggressive are even worse than a lot of men because they keep inviting in demons. But at the same time, there are a LOT of cases where female socialization makes the woman uptight and anal about so many pedantic things that don't actually matter. As a result they can treat other women like crap incessantly, they can become like vultures, which makes women wary of other women in a different way. Socially brainwashed, repressed people (usually women, it's sad but true) often have no sense of humor either.

(Honestly I think most people are toxic)

>>314605
don't be such a defeatist nona

>>314605
what the hell are you talking about lmfao

>>314589
I agree with >>314579
Sexual dimorphism isn't that intense among humans so if your definition only rests on the particularities of human sexual dimorphism, of course you'd tend to minimize the difference between sexes. But sex transcends species.
It has been the biological basis of the crushing majority of reproduction (including plants) for millions of years

>>314420
"Sex positive" feminists are traitors to women (and many of them are jews as well, make of that what you will).
>She doesn't have to be celibate, chaste, humble, small, modest
So the "bimbocore subculture" want us to be like moids? What's the point?! I like being "celibate, chaste, and modest".

>>314647
I think it's about accepting someone with their faults and admitting she's a woman just like us, who's simply trying to survive in this world. It's about cooperating with other women even if they're not perfect.
Idk why they picked "bimbocore" as the name seems gay.

I sense that much of contemporary feminism assigns a lot of agency to moids hoping they'd figure it out.

Being a radfem is getting over this delusion

>>314420
>What are your unpopular feminist opinions?
The sexual revolution have turned us from being desirable and cherished into being c*m buckets that men have 0 reason to care for, when they are not hatting us.

Feminism have always fought the cultural wars on the side of the capital. It have been created by wealthy bourgeois women who weaponized the poor women to do what favor them and at the same time anybody who own capital.

>>314545
>intersectionalism
This word… Now we have to tolerate rape when it's done by the right people and don't you dare questioning the troons.

>>314653
>sexual revolution
Is this a surprise at all? I wasnt around for the "gamer gate" days (too young), but for women to have sex outside wedlock that must mean that men just don't have to marry or care anymore. Its a wonder what was going through their heads when all of this was decided.

>>314653
>The sexual revolution have turned us from being desirable and cherished into being c*m buckets that men have 0 reason to care for, when they are not hatting us.
>implying it hasn't always been like this and even worse back then
Whenever moids cherished women it came from a place of possessiveness. I remember reading about some medieval non peasant men simping for women they never met and it was positioned as some sort of "love". No, you don't love someone you never met, you love an image of them. Likewise women didn't have much power so they'd need to fawn to survive, it's not really true love if you're only attracted to someone's adaptation to survive.

As for cultural wars and capital, maybe, but it isn't mutually exclusive with women being right for wanting rights and being treated better by society. Its more so that the goals of two groups have aligned.

>>314653
>The sexual revolution have turned us from being desirable and cherished into being c*m buckets that men have 0 reason to care for
Prime example of moid posting. Men as a group have never cherised women. They systematically stimied women's opportunities in life for as long as it was feasible. No woman thinks that being desired by men is somehow rare today. Being desired by moids is usually disgusting and/or scary. If you were a woman you'd know we still get groped on the bus in the year of our lord 2025. Please try again.

>>314653
What did y'all think free love meant? Vibes? Relationships? Responsibilities?

My unpopular feminist opinion is that blowjobs are vile and degrading.

>>314658
>Being desired by moids is usually disgusting and/or scary.
Agreed
But as >>314653 said, the sexual revolution made things way worse and if you don't admit it you're just coping.

>Prime example of moid posting
Moids are the first consumers of porn and sex workers what are you on about. They're the ones who make the most money out of it at the expense of normalizing women being objectified. Have you missed the recent drama when credit cards processors banned coomer platforms ?

>>314675
you fell for moid propaganda

>>314673
based nona

>>314673
>>314677
>unpopular opinions
this isnt unpopular

>>314673
>>314693
It's a more radfem/blackpill opinion though and blackpill and radical feminism isn't super popular in mainstream feminist circles. It might help if op was more specific than just "feminist opinions" though since there's a bunch of subsections of feminism

With regard to sex work, we should be more specific in the distinction of filmed/photographed pornography and erotic art. The latter isn’t harmful to women (and much of it is produced by feminist women for women) but people associate the term “porn” with it anyway so it makes radfems look crazy when they say they’re against porn. Related to that, real life pornography or sex work isn’t inherently harmful either. We should be focused on removing the root of actual exploitation (sex tourism, human trafficking, capitalism et al) instead of the product. If someone genuinely wants to make an onlyfans, let them.

>>314693
> this isnt unpopular
yet sooo many women still willingly give them lol. its only not an unpopular opinion in certain specific circles i fear

>>314719
there are many more degrading and vile things that women still do regularly, just look at what the girls do porn girls were doing
and i think that most of the women giving blowjobs dont think it is degrading (its entirely their choice after all) and there are absolutely men giving blowjobs

>oppose objectification, sexualization and the normalization of degradation to please moids
>half of self proclaimed "feminists" REE in unison because anything seen as remotely 'conservative' is considered anti-feminist
>get called puritanical
>they keep making billions off of the sexualization of women
it will never end will it

>>314675
>Moids are the first consumers of porn and sex workers what are you on about.
I don't get what your point is? Porn is not why women are objectified. The sort of sexual depravation that leads to women being objectified is a male phenomenon and it's not stopped or subdued by banning sex work or whatever. Men have always been like that and what women do has no effect on it. Look at stats on sexual crime, they don't get any better in countries with porn bans. There's something deeply wrong with moid biology that makes them like that.

The women involved in sex work or porn are like 1% of the female population even if 95%+ men consume their material. Any time some "woman" on this board seethes about whores, porn and onlyfans as if it's super pertinent to the everyday life of ordinary women it kinda smells like a scrote projecting about the women in his own porn-filled media environment to me. No woman is gonna be posting about the woes of being a modern "cum bucket" deprived of the cherised status of the women in 1950s who couldn't get credit cards or jobs that are higher paid than secretarial work, are you kidding me?

>>314735
The worst curse of feminism is that it is centered around men. Feminists compare themselves to men. They try to change what men think of them. They try to break their expectations.

>>314737
Why is it any less important if a minority of women experience it? Rape also happens to a minority of women.

>>314718
I'm going to be blunt here but the gullibility of some feminists is appaling. Yes in theory there's nothing harmful about the porn industry. The same could be said of child labour or gambling. BUT clearly the system of incentives has been set up that enables the mass, industrial scale suffering and exploitation of women. Every porn star who retired had came out and said how abusive, painful and destructive it was. And who benefits are the male CEOs of these shady companies. BUT some feminists are sooooo easily hoodwinked by the (propaganda) notion that it is empowering because porn is anti-patriarchal. It's not. It's another extremely destructive form of patriarchy. But some feminists will viciously defend porn and insists the enormous mass instances of abuse were somehow isolated cases.

And this is not new. Playboy and High Hefner styled himself as a feminist by liberating women. MANY women believed him. Turns out he drugged and raped women in his mansion. Turns out the guy who built an entire sex mansion and made women dress up in degrading outfits and literally serve men was no, in fact, a feminist. And it is appaling to see the same thing happening in repeat.

>>314718
Most of erotic art is for men. Did you know ~99% of nude art is of women? Most of it is funded by men and pornographic capital, and used as a "statement" about the "restrictions society places on women". There is slight artistic value in understanding the anatomy of the human body in art, but this has nothing to do with most erotic art.

1.Women will never achieve female solidarity like men do.
2. 50/50 is shilled as feminist but it really isn’t when it’s women still doing the bulk of housework and child care while still working. Paying for a first date is just cucking future you.

>>314453
Trannies are entitled though. I have bad news for you.

>>314744
male solidarity is about gaslighting rape victims and grooming vulnerable kids and adults so you're right about that one

>>314744
>gender based solidarity
Why would a heterosexual person want that? Everyone is competing for best life for themselves, why let myself get cucked by a collective of strangers? Teenagers flock together, but people grow up sooner or later.

Sometimes I think the enslavement of women made societies more competitive back in the day which is one of the reasons it's so widespread and it's a bit blackpilling

>>314823
Feminists succeeded at convincing women that "ARBEIT MACHT FREI" and that rising children is slavery.

>>314827
it's like having a job, great when you have the choice to do it and it pays off and shit when you are forced to, overworked and don't receive much respect for it. it sucks but that's life.

>>314420
Feminism and especially ecological feminisms are compatible with identitarian politics drawing on the Indo-European tradition

>>314744
To stay on topic, how do you relate #1 to feminism ? Do you mean that feminism is an unrealistic utopia like communism ? or something else
I agree with >>314744 though, gender solidarity and any type of idpol is retarded. Society should be structured to minimize injustice and mistreatment REGARDLESS of identity.
Traffic laws ensure everyone drives safely, and it takes into account the vulnerability of bikes as opposed to cars, buses get priority when leaving stops and trucks are allowed to use more than one lane when they need to perform a turn. It is designed to accommodate everyone without turning the road into a battlefield of cars vs bikes vs trucks etc. Driving is a co-op game, not a 0 sum game (like the economy)

>>314839
Do you mean white suppremacy ? or am I missing the point

>>314420
I think Ellen Willis was basically right when she wrote this in the 80s reflecting on the 60s. The feminist movement did not consolidate enough for overall goal and succumbed to doomerism. The lack of psych theory to address both male and female sides of patriarchy is still a problem

>>314521
this is closer to the truth, the gender differences are obviously not simply coerced on us by authority figures but more like recreated from our daily interactions and perceptions, until they feel self-imposed, part of our own belief about ourselves etc. this unconsciously perpetuates sexism

>>314843
this is related https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/sex-without-identity-feminist-politics-sexual-difference/

>>314843
No I mean the European identitarian movement (not American white supremacists).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identitarian_movement

https://counter-currents.com/2011/02/benoist-on-feminism-iq-the-wealth-of-nations-interview-on-the-human-sciences-part-4/
>But there are two forms of feminism: egalitarian feminism and identitarian feminism. The first thinks that the best means of ensuring the promotion of women is to work to gradually blur the distinction between masculine and feminine social roles. Women must be able to do “everything that men do,” but in this case it the male social role is implicitly taken as the model. The second, by contrast, holds that one can assert the equality of women only on the basis of their distinctness. The New Right supports the second tendency, represented in particular by Luce Irigaray, rather than the first, represented in particular by Simone de Beauvoir or Elisabeth Badinter.

>>314839
>ecological feminist
So you refuse to use tampons? Did you really needed a new buzzword for that?

>>314852
When you have no life and no real identity, you gotta make up labels. Anyone that into politics is already a redflag, just tells me they are not a human being but a set of political ideas wearing human skin. Once you question such a person about anything outside of politics, soon you realize just how sad and empty their life truly is.

Anyway, reusable cotton period pads ftw and i no longer get skin irritation + save a lot of money. And my younger sister says diva cups are the best choice she made. At least she won't ever have to risk gettint toxic shock syndrome from a nasty ass tampon, f that shit.

>>314827
Get yourself a husband and stay at home, it's still perfectly doable. Just because you don't have any goals in life outside of baby making doesn't mean the rest of us should be dragged into it

Woman constantly must explain themselves to other women in almost apologetic manner in order to not get dogpiled by the feminist hivemind.

>>314915
obviously, otherwise the crabs will pull you back in