Cluster C Anonymous 93352
Any cluster C anons out there?
Nah I'm cluster B gang. You bitch ass niggas better watch out for us.
jk I hope you're doing good
Idk what that is but I feel lucky I'm not dependent.
I hate it so much anons. It's ruining my fucking life.
The only times I feel brave enough to confront my big problems is when I'm so tired of myself I turn manic and stop caring. I wish I could have that mindset constantly.
I have avoidant and dependant.
Bruh I wish I was obsessive compulsive
Weird question, but has anyone else from cluster A developed a strange symbiotic relationship with a cluster B?
I have dependency and somehow I've managed to get stuck in very intense relationships with people who have narcissism. Idk what it is. They're often very controlling and I guess I just sort of fall into it because I'm comfortable following the lead of someone else, but it's also awful because literally all of them have been emotionally abusive in some form or other. They're always so sweet when you play by their rules and it does genuinely feel like a relief to have my dependency "looked after" but one small thing and BOOM they're accusing you of you being a cheater and using things you back into submission
Hello AvPD sisters, how're we doing this [insert hour]? Picre's me.>>93380>The only times I feel brave enough to confront my big problems is when I'm so tired of myself I turn manic and stop caring. I wish I could have that mindset constantly.
God, same. Or dissociate so hard that you don't feel like yourself/a person and getting certain things done is now a possibility, but then you end up forgetting everything you've talked about with people or what you have done.>>93391>has anyone else from cluster A developed a strange symbiotic relationship with a cluster B?
If you mean C instead of A; yes and it's very common that the relationships are toxic and/or abusive. People in the C cluster are susceptible to manipulative and controlling people, likely developing their disorder from past abuse.
Cluster b and end up ruining relationships which I regret for years.
>>94220>Thread about any cluster that isn't B>cluster B shows up to make it about them
Classic. Please don't do this.
hi cluster c buddies, cluster a reporting in
any autistic cluster c anons? checkin in
i have hepatiteis c but still flat what do
I mean attention seeking and narcissism are huge in Cluster B so I'm not surprised kek
I did mean Cluster C, my apologies. I have AvPD too and my brain keeps going "A FOR AVOIDANCE, LETTER A, CLUSTER AYYYYYY"
Cluster C isn't real!
OCPD is just a somewhat crushed down aggressive disorder, off out there with other dedicated-shithead conditions. That doesn't mean that they can roll up all the leftover disorders into a neat little bundle, as if they hadn't already fallen on their face with schizotypal and all that. Okay, avoidant and dependent might be connected, but that's no opening for pushing shit way beyond that.
>>94218>People in the C cluster are susceptible to manipulative and controlling people, likely developing their disorder from past abuse.
This has literally been all of my relationships. People take advantage of Cluster C traits, especially Cluster B like getting insanely intense with you and then drop off until they need a new dose of your attention. I'm sick of it. Ngl just gonna break the cycle and stop dating altogether.
Imagine dismissing an entire cluster just because one of the disorders is something you find iffy.
Go back to emotionally abusing all the friends who already hate you for damaging them, Cluster Btard
I've learned my lesson on that too and its fucking hard.
My DPD makes me a magnet for narcs because I'm hardwired to feel comfy when people are a walking red flag for possessive and obsessive behaviour- Cluster B people, unfortunately.
I'm in a relationship with someone who respects me and treats me like a person. The hard part is that something feels off. They respect my boundaries and that's literally what makes it feel off. I'm not used to having a relationship where a BPD nightmare isn't breathing down my neck and being intense all the time. The calmness of normal healthy relationships really takes some getting used to
How about learning to read? I dismissed two
entire clusters, not only does # A also not really fit together either, but one of the "personality disorders" within it is actually in and of itself shaky!
What a nice way to "prove" the validity of these clusters, displaying yourself as a completely focus darting histrionic-avoidant that indulges in a distraction whenever anything gets awkward, or as a dependant-histrionic that is proudly above any shreds of autonomous judgement! Nevermind that they've probably dropped them by now in the 5th or whichever edition of the Dynamopsychological Statistics Manual or whatever that wasteful, dead-end pretentious Phred-Phelpsy Phreudian Phone book is called. Lighten up, society can't afford this kind of antiquated, laborious toolkit anyway, so pumping up faith in it doesn't even do anything for people.
BPDfag seething over people paying attention to clusters that aren't the cluster they're a part of lmao
"O-o-only ours is real guys, didn't you h-hear that ours is the most agonizing? Fuck you guyses clusters you're not real like ours"
Gotta love when people dismiss cluster a and c when b is clearly just a massive get-of-jail-free card for abusers and manipulators because "muh trauma causes me to hurt you". How are cluster a and c less valid than b? I'm far more willing to believe a and c over the hot mess of cluster b "disorders"
Yeah, ummm, I gotta pour some major nope on that!
Cluster B so blatantly is a cluster! There's connection between antisociality and hysteria. There's connection between antisociality and narcissism. There's connection between narcissism and hysteria. There's even suppossed connection between borderline and hysteria and/or antisociality.
Contrary to "get-out-of-jail free" notions, antisociality has been noted as more genetic than other PDs.
A is less valid additonally because paranoid is by its nature hard to zero in at and map out, on top of being obtuse. C is less valid additionally because it's united merely by being the kinds of disorders that shrinks simply find nice and lucrative.
Is someone narc injured? Cope and seethe, cluster bfag.
Wishing all my cluster c sisters and cluster a cousins a good one.
You seem to be lost, the shitposting general is over on page 3.
What the hell is that even supposed to be? Oh, right, some sort of a lame trend attempting to groom Dependant/Avoidant pawns for foul-attituted OCPD robots.
If you dont believe in Cluster C, why even bother interacting with a thread for people who have Cluster C to talk to eachother? That's like going ghost hunting when you don't believe in ghosts (or something similar).
besides, DPD is similar to BPD except all the abusive shit is peeled off, so maybe we can find some common ground on how clingy and terrified of abandonment we both are lol
>>94603>What the hell is that even supposed to be? Oh, right, some sort of a lame trend attempting to groom Dependant/Avoidant pawns for foul-attituted OCPD robots.
Go take your meds, sis.>>94612> DPD is similar to BPD except all the abusive shit is peeled off
Agreed.>maybe we can find some common ground on how clingy and terrified of abandonment we both are lol
I've (AvPD) had good dialogue with BPDs that don't have their heads up their rear, there's common ground to be found with the clinginess and fear of abandonment - imo it's something both AvPD and DPD can share similarities with. Even though we run away and hide a lot, Avoidants crave meaningful social interaction but also need a lot of reassurance that we're wanted around. This can lead to deeper or loyal bonds with people that can also set off our internalized fears and paranoia. There's no such thing as a Favorite Person for us though, and Avoidant episodes are typically periods of self imposed isolation as self punishment or from being socially overwhelmed.Sappy and stupid because I should've expected it on anonymous image board, but coming to cc and not only seeing this thread but so many other AvPD anons here brought me a little happiness.
Honestly I thought this was just me. I want to do things but I'm afraid of judgement over everything constantly.
Like, do you know that feeling when you meet new people, and you avoid saying weird things at first because you don't want to hurt their sensibilities? I feel as if there's constantly someone standing over my shoulder, so that I can't even brush my teeth without being judged negatively. Or that me doing literally anything (even when I'm completely alone) I'm somehow being annoying to someone.
I like to think that everyone with mental health problems can empathize with eachother to some degree because while they may not struggle with the same illnesses they do know what it's like to struggle with something that people don't even think is real/dont take seriously. I'm shocked to find that mentally ill people don't actually do this too often. It only ever seems to happen between illnesses with shared symptoms.
While my experiences with being abused by multiple Cluster B people have left me not really liking them, I will admit that I will always lend and ear to someone who struggles with fears of abandonment because DPD has given me that in buckets and I don't think anyone should have to feel constantly afraid of people ditching them.
(Even if in the case of Cluster B the abandonment is oftentimes necessary because of their behaviour)
I don't know, I may be a little on the reticent side, I may be more than a little on the reticent side, although I know I shouldn't be taking steps to certify myself into such a bureacratic affliction profile in a trio menu/bundle. Even if it wasn't getting decomissionned anyway…if you do care strongly about official perspectives.
I'm not even so sure about BPD, I don't even know if it can 'safely' be said to be similar to itself. Sometimes it's said to be similar to DPD, and some cases are said to be very not so and even antisocial-like.>>94625>Go take your meds, sis.
Now that's the kind of thing OCPDs are for being said, said early & said often.
I'm inclined to pay attention to the uglier side of this, what if what's more common is avoidants and schizoids egging each other on to be the way they are, like on image boards for one?
>>94640>avoidants and schizoids egging each other on
This is a very interesting point. Some disorders seem to fall into relationships for whatever way the symptoms bounce off eachother. I've only ever really considered the relationship between DPD and BPD/Narcs. I never observed what seemed like schizos and avoidents having that same kind of relationship
Theres a word I'm trying to think of, or a phrase, and for whatever reason my mind is pulling a blank. "Relationship" isn't right, but I feel like saying "some disorders have a certain chemistry" isn't the right way to phrase it either
Yes it is interesting, even if likely to be messy to untangle… maybe an arrangement, connection or social setup? Or to put it in an overhandedly direct way, how about a fraction of a relationship?
What gets implied in that is that the reason the same word doesn't fit is because it's not the same. and if it is a match-up involving a schizoid, that should make it something like an opposite of what's described as overly intense relationships between aggressively connecting types.
Chemistry seems to be getting to the point to, not just for "interpesonal chemistry", but also for differently focussed twisted types, like those with issues relating to routine.
Part of it is the factor that the internet contributes, like, if you were to really go out on a limb, you might wonder if it makes it possible to be slightly avoidant and histrionic, as inconceivable as that would have before sounded any other way.
>>94640>I'm inclined to pay attention to the uglier side of this, what if what's more common is avoidants and schizoids egging each other on to be the way they are, like on image boards for one?
I don't understand, how do avoidants and schizoids egg each other on?
Sorry, it's awkward to talk about these kind of things in the abstract, even doing so time and time again it still manages to be awkward. It's not some major dramatic bang-packing endpoint of awkwardness, but it is its own way of being grindingly awkward. Maybe for different reasons, like from being contrasted to everymen's life attitude truisms, some of which may derive from archaic psych notions but of course with big slamming conviction-boosts.>>94683
Well, for instance, schizoids could signal to avoidants that highly anticipated social things can just be disappointing tediums, while avoidants may report to schizoids that social situations are scary, possibly leading to schizoids noticing the lack of scary factors and judging that nothing social is actually occuring. Schizoids are discouraged from social situations by certain things, avoidants by somewhat different ones, if they put they their heads together, they could come up with more complex negative assessments about social situations.
Tdlr is that avoidents hype up situations to schizos and schizos post on /b/ at 9pm on Crystal Cafe
Hmmm, conflating schizos (schizophrenics, schizotypals, schizoaffective) with schzioids (despite the name) gives me a general sense of doubt about how you're constructing what it is schizoids experience. If anything, schizoids and avoidants are both anxious about social situations equally, the only difference being that schizoids are less distressed when they are isolated from social activities. The typically schizo-posters that are going to react to avoidant anxiety thinking (like some of the users on this board who suffer from what I can only describe as "androphobia") are schizo-typal not schizoid.
Yeah, that's pretty important. Even though it's not reaching the stereotype-level of equating being schizo to multiple personalities, at least I think it doesn't get that bad these days.
Though there are ways to pry them appart a decent bit, schizoids are said to have less capacity for satisfaction, they don't have to feel equally distressed because of that other equation-end. And avoidants are said to have perhaps-rowdy imaginations.
But it's not like you couldn't conceivably have weird social circumstances push a schizoid and an avoidant together, maybe causing some traits to get drilled between them a bit.
>>94640>Now that's the kind of thing OCPDs are for being said, said early & said often.
Seriously, Anon, are you ESL or schizo? I don't want to be mean but also uh what.
>Even if it wasn't getting decomissionned anyway…if you do care strongly about official perspectives.
If you're talking about the new ICD destroying the personality disorder clusters and just mashing them all together for one PD soup then IMO I think the ICD is largely (Euro) trash and that this is one of the worst steps for medicine since removing gender dysphoria.
>what if what's more common is avoidants and schizoids egging each other on to be the way they are, like on image boards for one?
I don't see that happening on the boards I read and that doesn't happen IRL, granted it's only in my experience. At that point it's not like the two beacon out for each other or something, like Bs with Cs imo, and it's more neurotic people online venting and conversing. It just happens notably often with cluster B and C.>>94684>schizoids could signal to avoidants that highly anticipated social things can just be disappointing tediums
TBH Avoidants will reach this conclusion or similar anyway if they're in that state of mind or struggling with intrusive thoughts. It's anxiety/fear based and you spiral yourself into it through your own thinking.>>94709>The typically schizo-posters that are going to react to avoidant anxiety thinking […] are schizo-typal not schizoid>>94693>avoidents hype up situations
Lol, we do. I assume this is about the chick that spams those weird threads.>>94725>avoidants are said to have perhaps-rowdy imaginations.
Yes; maladaptive daydreaming related problems typically stem from the overthinking and persistently imagining out social scenarios to prepare, plan for, and/or to catastrophize over. Getting upset over an entirely imagined scenario is a possibility.
Hold the phone
MALADAPTIVE DAYDREAMING IS AN AVOIDENT THING??
holy shit, I've had this my entire life and I have no idea it was part of Cluster C problems. As far as I know I have DPD. Reading the thread it's becoming more apparent that I could have AvPD.
>>94776>MALADAPTIVE DAYDREAMING IS AN AVOIDENT THING??
Yeah. Aside from what I said before, obvious ways that people can avoid stressors is by receding into themselves and/or fantasy.
>holy shit, I've had this my entire life and I have no idea it was part of Cluster C problems. As far as I know I have DPD. Reading the thread it's becoming more apparent that I could have AvPD.
If you're part of a cluster then you could also just be sharing some traits with another PD in that cluster and that's normal too.
Who here depersonalization/derealization?
can someone explain this cluster stuff to me, i am not too familiar with it :(
They're categories of mental illnesses. Specifically, theure categories of personality disorders that share similarities but are distinct enough to be considered seperate disorders.
Cluster A is the schizotypal personality disorder group and I dont know much about them.
Cluster B is the group known for disorders that make things tricky to be in friendships and romantic relationships with them. They're prone to things like histrionics, manipulation, antisocial behaviours, and often times becoming a victim of their own reckless impulses.
Cluster C is the group known for constant anxiety around everything. We're prone to things like avoiding everything, seeking dependence on others, and being at high risk of getting sucked into abusive relationships.
Personality disorders are in clusters due to their overlapping behaviors/symptoms and similarities.
C is the anxious/fearful cluster. Avoidant, Dependent, and Obsessive Compulsive.
A is the eccentric/odd cluster. Paranoid, Schizotypal, and Schizoid.
B is the erratic/dramatic cluster. Borderline, Narcissistic, and Antisocial.>>95088
You left out histrionic, which fits very neatly in cluster B. Borderline is the only one which is a bit further, and it gets connected pretty boldly to histrionic.
Anxious/fearful does not thoroughly describe OCPD.>>95077>>95088
Schizotypal is probably the most controversial of them all.
If OCPDs avoid things, it's maybe because they're too busy with things they make huge fusses about.>>95093>>95088
Odd almost shouts "cop-out". Any wonder they made a habit of leaning on it? Particularly for something which even entrusted experts themselves seem to not know as well as they yearn to. "Odd" even fits many descriptions of OCPD, which almost shows commonality with paranoid, if with anything.
If you hold back on looking at OCPD, it is pretty feasilble to say a good bit about dependant together with avoidant.
>>95188>You left out histrionic
I did, my bad.
>Anxious/fearful does not thoroughly describe OCPD.
Not thoroughly, they're just the descriptors of the overall cluster. To my knowledge, OCPD individuals talk about how much anxiety/fear they feel when they don't complete their tasks/rituals the exact way they want.
>Schizotypal is probably the most controversial of them all.
I don't know of any controversy around cluster A PDs. Decided to slap together screenshots from the DSM5 because I got curious. Picre
>Odd almost shouts "cop-out". Any wonder they made a habit of leaning on it? Particularly for something which even entrusted experts themselves seem to not know as well as they yearn to. "Odd" even fits many descriptions of OCPD, which almost shows commonality with paranoid, if with anything.
Odd just means what's not usual or expected/the norm. Odd doesn't even fit as a descriptor for OCPD, if you want to be anal about it, they're too inflexible to do something out of character. I don't see the commonality between OCPD and PPD.
Not the anon that you replied to, but the schizotypal controversies come from people not thinking they're real or count as a set of personality disorders
>>95188>Particularly for something which even entrusted experts themselves seem to not know as well as they yearn to.
The odd personality cluster is the least studied because they are the least likely to actually seek medical care for their disorders. Schizoids won't interact with anyone who will direct them to a therapist, nor the therapist themself, and unlike say, an avoidant, being schizoid is ego-isotonic, they will take pride in their aloofness. Paranoia is a symptom of some of the other personality disorders, but is usually sub-ordinate to some overarching issue. An avoidant will be paranoid about other people's opnions because she's socially anxious. A paranoid will be socially anxious around other people due to his paranoia, which is usually a fear response to almost everything. Schizotypal is just one step short of schizophrenia where we get to grind the fine line between "delusion" and "unconventional belief", which is purely up to social convention at that point. In the end these people certainly exists, just none of them are likely to either seek out treatment to better themselves, or be forced into (such as narcissists) by people around them.
What kind of people do you generally see with schizotypal disorders?
I can visualise an image of a stereotypical Cluster B or Cluster C but I havent even (to my knowledge) met or interacted with a Cluster A
The girls who murdered another girl for Slenderman.
Anyone who posts on /x/ and legitimately believes in what is posted. If you don't believe there are Wiccan LARPers that 100% believe magic is real you're willfully ignoring them. Be aware that like any other personality disorder there are "degrees" to being schizotypal.
>>95214>I can visualise an image of a stereotypical Cluster B or Cluster C but I havent even (to my knowledge) met or interacted with a Cluster A
This is actually pretty funny because imageboards are probably the biggest hangout spot for Type A of any website design. You interact with them on a daily basis.
Ayrt. Funny, I often find that witchfags are very vocal about having BPD most of the time. Usually an alt girl type who makes spell jars, claims the "empath" title, and blames their behaviour on BPD
can confirm, am bpdfag, attempted to summon demon earlier this year
Thank you. I typically immediately dismiss such people because they're ignorant or prideful.>>95211
AvPD isn't very well studied or understood either, the major issue we face is that we're never fully honest with our therapists if we see them, the lack of trust and fear of judgement is that intense. It's misunderstood as extreme social anxiety when it's not exactly like that. You seem to have that misperception. It's not a fear of being around people, it's the fear of how others are perceiving you. There's a high comorbidity for AvPD with Social Anxiety Disorder, but they're not the same.>>95216
Wiccan Tiktoks are crazy, especially the ones that smear assorted shit all over things or say they talk to demons. I've never connected the two before, I usually hear them claim BPD, as others said.
>>95359>ignorant and prideful
Being 100% honest with you anon, the people who dismiss Cluster A and Cluster C the most are people from Cluster B. I've had debates about clusters in the past and there has always been a person who open their argument with something like "well, as someone with a REAL personality disorder, (insert B disorder), I have to say that…" with some half brained attempt at saying since theirs somehow had the most negative impact on their own life then the rest of us can go crawl in a hole
>>95378>I've had debates about clusters in the past and there has always been a person who open their argument with something like "well, as someone with a REAL personality disorder, (insert B disorder), I have to say that…" with some half brained attempt at saying since theirs somehow had the most negative impact on their own life then the rest of us can go crawl in a hole
Kek, it's always cluster B. I'm not remotely shocked or surprised, the victim mentality is so strong.
thank you this makes a lot of sense! I was already aware of the illnesses but i never heard of clusters before so thank you!
That's naive. That's hazardously naive. Just how do you know such people who are acknowledged as dysfunctional and mentally ill are automatically poised to get shit done
? Why not grant yourself the liberty to throw around the question "how does
*that* combination actually work?"
I'd be a bit on that language-baggage side if anything.
ICD? No, I had the DSM in mind, even the DSM-V was raring to throw the whole established setup into a tailspin, or at least do so with about half of them.
But it does describe other personality disorders well and swiftly, it gets at the core issue which they're trying to tackle whenever they are cooperating with those who define these classifications.
It's a rather weak standard, don't other PDs actually display fretfulness, serious stress and anguished disorientation when they're faced with their achilles heels? That is kludgey, lumping together two types that get visibly disturbed being in particular situations with a third that can simply be convinced to partake in a discussion about how upsetting the concept of certain wrong situations can be.>>95211>>95359
Who says they're the least studied? They're actually acknowledged and organized together as the first cluster! It's a categorization about which the authorities on the concept want to know more.
And the headaches/difficulties in studying Avoidant pale in comparisson to studying most personality disordes.>>95378>>95401
Big deal, so cluster B-ers can be counted on to have opinions and grab at some low hanging fruit of arguments.
Look at the basic setup on this whole thing. Each of the less solid clusters is already at the bare minimum of being a cluster!
>>95853>the headaches/difficulties in studying Avoidant pale in comparisson to studying most personality disordes.
Late but Anon, could you (specifically) stop shitting up the thread with your weird schizo-posting and, like, gaslighting or whatever? You seem like you've got a vendetta because you're cluster A and I'd rather talk to fellow Cs. Honestly, I feel like a lot of these posts are just you multi-posting.
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So, what's that got to do with anything? It's an indirect indicator of probable
dependant or avoidant?
It's literally in the thread picture.
No it's not. That image is a venn diagram indicating that fretful reclussiveness on the one hand, neediness on the other, and being anal retentive on the other-other hand are joined at the hip. It makes no mention of any sort of people who wash their hands several hundred times a day or avoid stepping on the cracks on the sidewalk.
Is part of the diagnostic criteria for OCD being against other mental health issues have a space to vent?
If you have a problem with avoidants and dependants then you could just as easily not come into the thread and let us have our own space to talk about problems we feel that we face. Why have you got such a boner for your argument anyway? What do you actually gain by shitting up the thread?
OCD is literally a cluster C disorder. If you're mad I said "actually diagnosed," it's because people endlessly say they're "so OCD" when they're just mildly neurotic.
girl OCD is different from OCPD
OCD is a standalone mental disorder rooted in obsessions (intrusive unpleasant thoughts and fears) and compulsions (seemingly random actions thought by the affected person to protect against whatever complusive thought/thing)
OCPD is a Cluster C Personality Disorder characterized by a need for perfection, strict rules and productivity (OCPD is associated with high productivity at work)
If I start my own cluster would anyone want to join
What mental health disorders are allowed into your cluster? I have 4 I can bring to the table
Right now I'm thinkin anything that causes skin picking and teeth grinding and we'll figure out the tierlist from there
I have an eating disorder. Can I join?
I think I have avoidant personality disorder and I don’t want to self diagnose, but I tick every box. This is exciting news