Pinkpill #3 Anonymous 93567
Vent your frustration about males and the degenerate things that they do here.
I was thinking about a post I seen on Lolcow. An anon had said she was sick and tired of her coworkers (all women) complaining to her about men but continuing to pursue them. All complaints were the standard things that really can't be fixed in men- selfishness, degeneracy, immaturity, etc. This anon said that she wouldn't have minded this if her coworkers had actually bothered to help themselves with the issue instead of continuously doing the same things over and over again expecting different results.
I'm conflicted on this. On the one hand, straight women have needs that unfortunately require a moid. On the other hand, it's hard to muster much sympathy for someone who keeps putting their hand on a stove againg and again only to cry each time when their hand is burned.
Maybe I'm just being weird about it but I feel like a lot of people aren't willing to drop the illusion that moids are worth the pain they cause
From a Nick Crowley video I just seen on a man infamous for documenting himself sexually harassing women on the street. I wonder how many men think the same
I support this fully. Either accept that your male partner sees you as a helper side character and bang maid in the movie that is his life, or else raise your standards and risk being alone. Just stop crying about your hand burning.
It mainly annoys me when they constantly complain about their scrote, but refuse to confront them or leave and then act like a martyr. Like complaining about unequal division of chores but still choosing to marry and have kids with the scrote, then acting like they're a helpless victim. I'm glad my friends are all single women so I don't have to listen to scrote problems.
Imagine ditching your career aspirations and wasting 20 years of your life as a bangmaid, actual maid, and free child carer just so a moid can advance his career and then leave you lol.
The warning signs present themselves when we are young. We know
moids are gross because the young ones don't know or dont care enough to hide it. If you fall into their snare because "oh but hes a good one" then you're a fool. I feel bad for you and I empathise and support you through your pain, but you're a fool and you walked yourself into their trap. Never trust them or get attached to one. They'll only ever disappoint you
>>93629>Imagine ditching your career aspirations and wasting 20 years of your life as a bangmaid, actual maid, and free child carer
I don't know which is more pathetic, revolving your sense of personal value around wage slavery, or raising children.
I think she meant "career" in a sense of self expression: like becoming an artist, a scientist, a ceo, etc. More about self actualisation than wage slavery per se (though the latter is pretty much unavoidable because capitalism :( )
I said that because that as a default because I've seen it on several occasions go down like that. For example, someone I'm quite close to aspired her entire life to be a doctor. She actually got into medical school through a scholarship she worked super hard to get. And then she accepted a marriage proposal and decided to quit to have a child with her moid.
This happens all the time.
Maybe "career" wasn't a good thing for me to say specifically. "Life aspirations" might have been a better choice of words, but you can not deny that when a woman gets married the first thing that goes out the window is usually the career she applied so much work and energy into getting
I know, thats why I said that wage slavery is "pretty much unavoidable" in the first place :/
>how most moids stand the hellish environments they put themselves in
They get off on the pain they experience and inflict (read: mary daly's def of sadomasochism), clap each other on the backs for being so depraved and stunning and love having another reason for a dick measuring contest with their bepenised peers (this time because of job), jobs also give their useless lifes some sort of meaning
Wageslavery is still better than a mother's lot no matter from what angle you look at it (paid for, has schedule, is regarded as an actual work not devalued, you still have time for hobbies, etc). Honestly whats up with you? Is "wageslavery" your sensitive spot or something?
This. Motherhood and house keeping is everything wrong with wage slaving but without the pay
Why do men care so much about being smart? It's like everything they do is to convince others of how intelligent they are. They don't seen to watch movies, listen tô music or read books for fun, they do this in order to convince the others of how they like complex, intelligent stuff.
I've never met a man who wants to improve themselves like that, the opposite really, so arrogantly sure of themselves even when they're wrong, like they don't even consider it a possibility
Wow, that's weird, it seems as if there is a range of behavior with men that can't be boiled down to the fact that they're just male.
To answer this though.>Why do men care so much about being smart?
Because being smart, and, to a lesser extent appearing
smart lead to more acquisition of status and resources. Hypothetically, with enough status and resources gained, a man can display dominance over other men by his superior status, and theoretically get access to more mates by doing so. Whether this works in practice, I don't know, do you think college graduate moids get more sex than high school drop out NEET moids?
This is one of the most wtf behaviours moids have. Just… wtf? Why do moids do shit like not go to the dentist when they have a toothache or ignore medical problems instead of going to the doctor when they're in pain? They do both of these things as if it's the same stupid moid "I can walk over a freezing mountain barefoot shirtless in the dark" shit like WHAT
Same reason our patriarchal system of labour relations encourages people to pride themselves on running themselves into the ground ("I haven't slept more than four hours a night for a month because of all the overtime I've been putting in", etc, etc)
Being a MAN is about how much you can ENDURE and how much DAMAGE you can withstand, it is quite frankly pathetic and these same moids will end up withered, bitter and shrivelled later in life
They do it to prove they can endure more pain than other moids in display of dominance of prowess, not really hard to understand.
Okay, but it's not hard to understand.
damn didn't take long for the recrooters to flood the thread
DINK life here I come
This isn't snide wordplay, do you think retard's behaviors are hard to understand? When the retard shits his pants, are you pondering the deep philosophical implications of what brain synapse firings occurred that lead him to that moment, or do you understand he has no concept of what a toilet let alone bathroom is and thus is unable to perform.
Why does everyone watch porn?
Because our brains are hard wired to eat that shit up, and the format of online porn makes it easily accessible and addictive.
Honestly I feel like smut/erotica novels are much better and less brain rotting but I don't know if that's actually true though.
Erotica novels aimed at women are absolutely bat shit insane. The choices are 50 Shades of Grey, or one of those werewolf "the alpha wants to mate me. I dont want to, but can I resist him?" romances written by a Wattpad author who made it to adulthood.
That's literally just porn for women.
The people in porn are real humans usually being exploited.
This sounds more like a system of capitalism.
And yet they sell nonetheless, which should really tell you more about your fellow average women than you may want to know.
Does it mean we all took the Jacob Blackpill during the Twilight years?
It means werewolves are hot.
"Soft romance" predates Twilight, though I would count Twilight as being the first one to specifically target teens in my memory.>>93787
No it actually means, Werewolves, Vampires, Pirates, Milloinaire's and Surgeons are hot. Top 5 most common female fantasies.
JP? Whose that? That's from an empirical study.
I would have thought serial killers would rank higher than surgeons at this point but I guess Carlile Cullen (the dad vampire who worked in the Twilight hospital) is both vampire and medical professional and he was still pretty hot
Kek if any anons want to read a normie vanilla romance/erotica novel I recommend The Kiss Quotient. It's like a genderbent Pretty Woman.
which one was less insane? i only paid attention at certain points in those films. wasn't jacob less insane than edward? the fact that he wasn't 900 years old and was actually a kid automatically seemed more normal to me when i first saw the films as a teen, but i didn't really pay attn to the guys
Jacob was less insane than edward until he fell in love with a literal baby, so they were both predators kind of, but Edward was like all puritanical and weird at the same time. Mormonism is a hard drug.
going to disregard the bizarre baby plot because it was surprisingly stupid and contrived, even for stephanie meyer. he didn't choose to fall in love with the baby iirc, it was that werewolf random attachment thing. correct me if i'm wrong, twilight fans, but wasn't jacob actually more concerned with her safety where edward was too busy sulking and disappearing, then randomly showing up? so why the hell was edward so heavily favored? he was so boring, literally no emotion. people complain about bella being an emotionless mary sue but he seemed to mirror her boring, flat self
lol I feel like if you’re gonna read erotic at least read Anaïs Nin, Rachilde (Marguerite Vallette-Eymery), Djuna Barnes, Gertrud von Puttkamer, Ann Bannon, Anne Desclos,
and Violette Leduc.
If you’re gonna read smut at least make it literature.
They think that while women get less phisically attractive with age, they get more attractive.
>some dumb chart to prove that
The thing is that women never think only with their vaginas. If you qsk a woman who is attractive to her she will say someone that has it all. If you ask the same thing to a man he will say a person that is phisically attractive and nothing else.
No. Older men arent more phisically attractive, they just tend to be wiser and better companions.
I agree. While porn being based on gaining something from a real person, written pornography is an idea on what a hypothetical experience between some two people could be. No one gets hurt in the process. No one, atleast in the ones for women, is degraded and dehumanized (except for the werewolf hehe). Its usually a sort of hero story with the woman "taming" the man, teaching him how to love and shit. Regular porn is just humiliation.
Has anyone read Midnight Sun? It's the Twilight book that came out in 2020, its basically the first book written from Edward's perspective. It's got super creepy undertones. He starts off not caring and then he develops an obsession with her based on how badly he wants to drink her blood/kill her so he starts stalking her. Throw that on top of the fact he's a sulky emotionally abusive mess and you've got yourself possibly the worst example of a boyfriend ever. It's a lot worse when you consider the concept of vampires is said to be rooted in sex, and that his obsessive need to be near her because hes "hungry" is extremely rapey
Jacob in the very least seemed to care for Bella until you realise he actually just instinctively orbiting an egg that was inside her ovary the entire time. Still a big creep who kissed her without permission
Edward was literally stone. Not just emotionally, like physically. The vampire lore in Twilight states that the vampires are a species of predatory rock. He wasn't cold and emotionless because he was dead it's just that he was made out of pavement or some shit.
They really gave concrete all the red flags of an emotionally abusive boyfriend and marketed that to tweens as the perfect man
And yet it was and is popular. We can argue it was astroturfed to a certain degree, but you don't get to be the highest grossing teen romance without actually being something a large number of readers legitimately wanted.
There are folktales in my country of married women being kidnapped by bears, and then the woman falls in love with the bear.
Folklore that involves a woman falling in love with a horrible frightening creature is rooted in teaching women to submit to men that they're afraid of. This is most obvious in the tale of Beauty and the Beast. The moral of the story is "yes, this a disgusting beast, but as long as you're kind and well behaved then he wont hurt you and things can go smoothly, now go be a good woman and submit gracefully to your husband"
No, the point of that story is that a woman can tame a man if she shows him affection.
>>93872>The vampire lore in Twilight states that the vampires are a species of predatory rock
That is so fucking stupid kek. Stephenie Meyer needs to be arrested and put on trial for writing those books.
What the fuck are you talking about? You mean a literal rock? He's a rock that can transform into a blood sucking vampire? >>93867>He actually just instinctively orbiting an egg that was inside her ovary the entire time
What does this even mean.
always make sure to make AIDS fags seethe fujosisturs
Exactly. "Be nice to even the most disgusting cruel beastly moids because if you're nice and submissive he wont be a beast towards you"
Bingo. In real life it just blows up "bad boys" heads. Like Becky the school shooter guy isn't going to tame you and turn into Edward Cullen just because you sit with him at lunch and tell him he's handsome he's just gonna be a greasy school shooter but think he's too good for you and will try to fuck Stacy instead
The main point of Beauty and the Beast is her rejecting the beast until he civilizes himself. Using Disney's as an example, Belle doesn't show any positive emotion to Beast until he stops being an asshole, let alone starts liking him.
Men weren’t always oppressive, but is it even possible to eliminate women’s oppression in the future with men? Does women’s oppression start from economic dependence? And if women were bettered economically with a new system, would men still leave workload to women, abuse them similarly and excessively as now?
I know exactly who you’re talking about.
Mainly, it’s a way to seem superior to others without much effort. Also, keep in mind that men (high average and up intelligence) receive a positive feedback loop regarding them being smart since birth. It’s the same as a girl gets but without all the baggage that comes with being a “smart” girl. It’s just constant praise for the smallest shows of success. Smart is an identity to the men you talk about, and being an “expert” in your field from being a wiki warrior is the least cost-prohibitive way to do it.
I don’t follow much of the intelligence=has resources evol psych reason because being as smart as these guys claim doesn’t actually do much for resources. It’s just a way to stroke the ego without actually needed to do much
I literally cannot believe I had to see a clip edited by a man of a woman regretting filming for porn and combined that with her actual porn scenes. It’s literally posted for men to Jack off to her distaste and they comment about it themselves. But what do I expect from reddit moids
If you liked that you'll love the Trolling of Wannabe Pornstars on efukt
You have to be pretty stupid to get into something like porn. Its actually just sad when people do it. But still, getting off to someones misery is another kind of fucked up.
definitely fucked up to get off on their misery. i remember the men who laughed and harassed that girl who allegedly financed her women's studies degree at Princeton or some other Ivy League school with her porn… she got shit on for years. the worst part is that she paid 50k a year for a degree so shit, while also doing porn, which naturally, is degrading and hypocritical. pretty sure they did a similar type of video on her regret. the porn she did was really hardcore too, so her soul looked about as broken as it could get, while cutting to the clips of her on CNN or whatever claiming she's happy and empowered and porn is driving her academic career etc etc
It’s so gross to me. Men will recognize and masturbate to these faces of distress and blankness. This is just desensitization. Not even human to them; that’s what they wanted in the first place. But the world doesn’t care and men will still harass, fantasize upon, and make fun of women that was or is in that industry
I do not post in these threads often but: https://boards.4chan.org/r9k/thread/64463500
I know these threads are made to troll people with an actual moral compass, but the pro pedo seething in the replies seems like genuine moid expression to me.
I always hope the man behind that camera gets AIDs and dies slowly
this is in support of prison abolition
I hate their hairlines and the sordid, poisonous internal clip of punch-and-judy that just plays on repeat all day beneath it
does anyone who works a retail job get disillusioned seeing ugly moids constantly? I hate that our target audience is mostly older people, and while I like older actors seldom are real life older men not ugly. The ones around here are especially uglier and usually manlets
I abandon a little more of my hope for the male species everytime I see another ugly moid come in. Whenever a better looking one comes in I'm genuinely flabbergasted. This is why I have to get out of the fucking south. Scrotes down here don't take care of themselves, look like shit, or they age like shit
forgot this one. forgive me if i don’t view a rapist with humanity! forgive me if i view a rapist’s life as worthless and unnecessary, especially when “living” among women
People who read philosophy are why I am glad all my irl friends are dumb.
>>95264>I hate their hairlines and the sordid, poisonous internal clip of punch-and-judy that just plays on repeat all day beneath it
KEK. seriously though, now that everyone knows propecia works, there's no excuse for men to not be on it as a prophylaxis like as young as possible. tons of girls are using retinol or retinoids at 15 but moids aren't interested until they start losing their hair. testosterone is a poison that makes moids so unattractive, honestly.
Twitter users will really say that we should forgive pedophiles and rapists but then go and burn Harry Potter books they already bought and talk about how JK Rowling is literally Hitler.
Evo psych is so fucking retarded. Scrotes really tried to create an entire discipline off of untestable hypothesis’ and faulty assumptions about what the environment was like 10,000 years ago to justify acting the way they do now. Evo psych’s entire origins as a field came about in the 80s anti-feminist backlash, as a way to find cement inequality in biology. I think it’s very telling when they start rambling on about how qualities like intelligence exist because “male resource acquisition” because they see women as passive participants in human evolutionary history.
It annoys me when even radfems will sometimes pull out the evo psych to try and explain women’s behavior. 99% of what it says are a fabrication of the male mind with a scientific veneer tossed over it at the end. Some of the literature you can find on display is “women who want clitoral stimulation instead of penetration are actually mentally ill” and “female homosexuality probably exists because men think it’s sexy.”
I find the fact that it’s getting more popular in the mainstream to be troublesome tbh.
My partner kind of does this, but still he is an autistic arsehole. It seems all you can choose from is selfish egotistic or autistic alien
Isn't it just the testosterone making them go into full damage mode in their life? Also most often then not doctors give you just false cures, so among the dominating shits there are shurely men that know that doctors cant help them. I wouldn't go into excruciating therapy if i was diagnosed with cancer, because i know my body is disposable and i will die anyways, so why suffer therapy and false hope when you can just suffer dying.
Yeah, getting your cavity filled when your tooth is busy rotting is a "false cure." A lot of doctors are full of shit but you've gone full quack if you think there's no point in going to a doctor when you're ill because some of them are wrong or overly profit motivated sometimes.
They're not going full damage mode, they are literally just retarded because they think seeking medical care is feminine and weak.
If evo psych is legit, it's way more damning towards men than women. All it does is prove that most men are biologically useless canon fodder with sub par genes, and that women can and should be picky enough to exclusively reproduce with 10/10 chads. Men love evo psych when it benefits them and hurts women, but can't handle a taste of their own medicine.
Aren't we all canon fodder and roting apes in the end? Is them finding any gratification in false stories is any better that us felling special because we so bether then tham.
them finding gratification in false stories is pretty shite when they're using those false stories to convince women that their ultimate most fulfilling purpose in life is being a stay at home mommy bangmaid. and when those false stories have joined together into an entire field pumping out literature saying that the status quo is the biologically natural way to be.
so yes, it's different than women thinking that they're better than a bunch of coomer scrotes.
hate all men except the ones who feel powerless and hopeless in life. a very specific type, who are humble and accept my constructive criticism in hopes to make them feel better about themselves and have a good life for actually respecting me as a human being. i also love my bf because he never does anything to hurt me either. aside from that most men are carbon copies with the same types of behavior and motives and better than thou personality.
Arent we all alike but with attention replacing the affection and kindness.
Anom this is so true. I used to speak to a guy who was a self proclaimed asshole, like the whole 9 yards he loved the Joker and everything, but he also cracked open and poured his heart out to me a few days after I met him because I was polite and friendly to him. I thought it was just that German men are all fucking weird but turns out it's fucking most men everywhere
Not degenerate, per se, just really fucking annoying. I have/had a friend who was like a himbo, basically, I bet we would've made a great couple, if we gave it a shot. But the motherfucker decided to go AWOL a few months ago and only recently hit me up with "its been a while since we talked and just wanna see how you're going and feel bad for cancelling a lot of stuff on u lol"
I wanna beat his fucking ass. I still wanna be friends with him but it just aggravates me. He can work for our friendship, I ain't messaging him anymore. (And he called me "bro", is that the kiss of death or wat)
I've never met a dude who was cleanly unless he was a diagnosed sociopath or he was known to like to assault women in his free time, those were literally the two cases.
what are everyone's experiences with this? can I even make a clean room a green flag in my book or is it just a sign for a whole other kind of male degeneracy
>>95715>your husband, even in his early 20s, has always kept a meticulously clean apartment and does the laundry regularly>In your relationship he calls you the mucky pup because you keep throwing your used clothes in piles around the bed and forget to help with chores so he just does them. All of them. Even loading and unloading the dishwasher.>tfw he actually seems to enjoy it and he hums the same song each time.>tfw it's the buying music from the Sims 1.
Sorry but to add to this, he even cleans under the couch and he CLEANS THE VACCUM after use, like he strips it down, removes my hair from the spinning brush, removes the lint from the air holes in the crap chamber, and uses an old toothbrush to remove the caked dirt. He says it's because if you let the dirt sit that's what makes a vaccum smell bad when you turn it on and it affects the suction power.
I must say however that in spite of his weirdness about cleanliness he is the sweetest guy you'll ever meet. My family makes fun of him and call him gay. It really isn't fair. Guys aren't bought up to be clean and being grungy is seen as a male trait but his family are janitors and industrial cleaners so it makes sense he is the way he is even if he's a programmer by trade, he's a cleaner at heart.
When my mom was selling her house he scrubbed off 25 years of shit caked wax and applied 3 fresh coats of high gloss and spent hours buffing it up, it made the floor shimmer and you could see your reflection in it. The buyers made a big deal of how beautiful the floor of the main room was and my mom was very grateful to him for a few months, now they make fun of him for it. Guys really aren't allowed to be clean and still be seen as men. It sucks.
It’s just cultural at this point. Men are taught that it’s manly to be filthy pigs.
Just like they’ve become socialized that it’s manly to not be hygienic. Even the the silent generation and boomers scrotes knew how to keep hygienic and their apartment clean when single.
Then comes gen x and the late boomers made them feral latchkey kids. Combine that with grunge and there you go: it’s now seen as unmanly to be hygienic and keep your living area the most basic level of clean.
see basic old school men’s hygiene coming back so that’s a plus. Like actually caring about your hair without going into metrosexual territory.
Men are statistically pre-disposed to care less about cleanliness than the average woman. This is speculated to be caused by either genetic or socially factors, but we actually see men on average care about cleanliness less
as cultures get more egalitarian (i.e. Scandanivia compared to US compared to Saudi Arabia), which seems to indicate there's a genetic predispostion towards men caring less. What implications does this have? Statistically, you are going to be disgusted by the mess far before the moid is.
How do I get a similar husband?! And which Sims track does he hum? He sounds ideal.
>moid friend falls down on concrete while running
>knee horribly bruised, blood everywhere
>friend tries to help him, ask if he's okay
>acts as if nothing happened, refuses to get any help at all, puts some bandage over his legs and tries acting like nothing just happened
What do they gain out of doing shit like this? Do they think it's masculine?
Personally I feel very awkward when accepting help from others. That may just be my general neuroticism though.
He likes to Hum the bossa nova one and the buy mode ones. He doesn't even know he's doing it half the time. As to where you can meet them? Online.
It's not a big deal to him/he doesn't want to look weak/his friend couldn't really do anything to help anyway. Any or all of those.
Online where? What the heck? All the people I've seen on Reddit seem insane.
Women have a stronger disgust response in all contexts, obviously with mess but also people. I guess whatever instinct protects us from wanting to fuck gross moids also makes us want a clean environment.
Try not to laugh too hard, and know that I am 100% serious, and I know full well how lucky I am not to have ended up flayed. But know this was 9 years ago when that place wasn't as horrible as it is now.
Omegle Chat. /r9k/ in interests field. I always like video chat because moids have no time to construct lies and nowhere to hide. We always video chatted, every day.
Women have a stronger disgust response in all contexts, obviously with mess but also people. I guess whatever instinct protects us from wanting to fuck gross moids also makes us want a clean environment.
Think you've got your cause-and-effect out of order. If anything the most likely cause of that instinct is that gross things can easily kill babies, and as the product of evolution, you are the latest in the long chain of mothers who have successfully not had their children killed by filth.
Good on her for arranging a seperate with that mongrel
women are more orderly whereas men enjoy destruction and chaos. hence their obsession with war, violence, porn, etc
Male obsession with nationalism comes not from wanting to protect their culture and traditions (thats the motives of right wing women) but from wanting to pillage, rape and enslave other nations (+get hardons from domination of the land they have no right to own) under the disguse of enlightening the savages and spreading the superior euro culture (that moids routinely ruin by being 50/90, their preference for elitism&domination over justice, animalism and opposing national charity&anti-oppression movements, ie by slowing down the progress). I am fucking tired of fake scrote """"nationalists""""
Migtoe evopsych is different from scientific evopsych, though there are still retarded misogynists in this field, but there are also based researchers who say that the less absolute number of males is the better it is for the society (the ideal is some what 10-20% of entire population), because they are destructive degenerates with negative net value who have a possibility to be beneficial only in small numbers. Or the ones who dont deny moid animalistic/demonic nature and say that its inherent instead of whitewashing them as everyone does (thus implying that women are better). All in all there is an end less discussion not an agreement in this field, I think if we (women) got hold of this sphere we could transform it into something very-very interesting
>I changed "jew" with "man" in this hitler quote and this unironically makes sense lol:
Was there any form of filth or profligacy, particularly in cultural life, without at least one man involved in it? If you cut even cautiously into such an abscess, you found, like a maggot in a rotting body, often dazzled by the sudden light — a scrote!
I don't understand, why would women working the field change the conclusions that were being drawn? You sound like you like the abstract policies you can develop from evopsych, but that doesn't require women to be in the field itself does it? Are you expecting women to find facts that contradict evidence most men are sub-par genewise?
You are so clearly confusing nationalism with imperialism.
Nationalism doesn't need to be imperialist at all.
Armenian nationalists are not out there enslaving africans.
Nationalism and imperialism should be seen as 2 completely differen't things.
Nationalism means you want a cleary defined country for your ethnic group.
It was very popular in 19th century europe, which was at that time made up of kingdoms, which borders were not made up by ethnic lines, but simply by whatever land the king could manage to grab for himself.
Even though nationalism is often associated with xenophobia nowadays, if you live in europe, your country probably woudn't exist without nationals, be it poland or even montenegro, so I would't be too negative about nationalism.
>>95814>like 40 paragraphs of her listing his abusive, narcissistic, cold, behavior that doesn't appear to be motivated by anything but callousness, laziness, and selfishness>"I need you to understand something. You are not a bad person."
bad people, that is all! you need not attempt to psychologically or emotionally dissect them any more than that! this "a man only acts like a douchebag because he is just secretly deep" trope destroys so many lives.
there is a whole subreddit dedicated to this: r/menkampf
this is the opposite? these people are claiming people are sexist and racist if they criticize men or white people.
this is just cringe ass white boy tears. no thanks. (funny how there is no analogue anti-misogyny subreddit, even though it would have 10000x more content, makes you thonk…)
I just said that moids get into nationalist movement for imperalist reasons. Get some reading comprehension please.
…What? If men are the dominant majority in evopsych then the conclusions that would be drawn from this field would be beneficial to their values and interests, not to female ones. Scientific theories are never purely objective, they depend on value system that the researcher has (=paradigm), different scientists can form different ideas and theories based on absolutely the same evidence. I am just saying that while men are the dominant majority here they will always make self-flattering misogynistic theories and given that evo-psych is an interesting and influential field it would be good for women to get hold of it.
>>95970>Scientific theories are never purely objective, they depend on value system that the researcher has (=paradigm), different scientists can form different ideas and theories based on absolutely the same evidence.
I see the point of disagreement. I suppose if you're seeking political advantage to set an agenda than it makes sense.>b-but everyone is trying to set a political agenda
Sure thing honey.
Posting moid pandering "uwu men should be praised just like us women" pickme tweets is so embarrassing.
Men aren't pretty. They're objectively ugly. We describe ugly monsters as smelly aggressive apes and that's literally most moids???? I hate people who try to uplift moids like this I swear they do it so they can be a "feminist" but level it out with moid pandering so men don't lose interest
Nigga, is this a bait? I’m still gonna take it cause this site is slow as hell. The girl must have got a crush or two and expressed her feelings toward him/them in a generalized statement.
t. your cap
No it's not bait, it's just that this specific behaviour is my let peeve. I can't even fully explain why it gets on my nerves as much as it does.
Something about creating a positive space for women and then someone has to bring the mood down by "oh but men are pretty too owo don't forget to tell a man hes handsome today" or some shit equivalent. There's just no need for it
>>93569>I feel like a lot of people aren't willing to drop the illusion that moids are worth the pain they cause
That's the root of the entire problem. This would be less of an issue if women didn't find comfort in complacency. Straight women especially tolerate men's shit because they think they need to and think they get the biggest reward from doing so.
If you ever do tarot reading or anything similar, you will meet a lot of them who want to get some supernatural justification for staying with them.>>93585
I saw this. The fact it took so long for him to get shut down on youtube despite being a registered sex offender and is back on TikTok says something.
>>96051>Twitter>a positive space for anyone at all
You had me going for a minute there.
Before anyone says anything, yes I know it's a depiction of the Salem witch trials and yes I know he got the tattoo because he's a faggy edgelord.
But I feel like theres something seriously wrong with a moid who just decides to get a tattoo of a bunch of women hung to death permanently on his body.
This shows up on my Pinterest a lot under tattoo inspiration and it's kind of disgusting. Don't get me wrong, I love tattoos, and being a bit edgy is fine, but I hope the women who know him are smart enough to stay well the fuck away from a man who has dead women on his body
A "friend" I've known since elementary started venting to me. Talking about his wife abusing him and not letting him do what he wants, in the same conversation he turned it around and started hitting on me. The wave of sad I felt was a proper reward for thinking men ever have friendship on their mind.
Men USED to be pretty. That's the tragedy. I'm an artist and I can't tell you how badly I want to live in older times. Seeing portraits and photographs of men from the past makes me realize how much better they used to take care of themselves. They dressed better, were more fit (no cars = walking everywhere), read books that weren't just Sun Tzu or "How to Get Fit and Pick Up Chicks", and courted women.
Yeah, his wife definitely isn’t “abusing” him.
He is only saying his wife abused him to make you feel pity
Nta this is just funny men in historical fashion is sexy af
The rich and wealthy might have looked like that. Regardless, men basically owned their wives and daughters back then. You are much better off now.
Yeah aesthetically it was awesome.
But come on.
Even looking past human rights issues, they didn’t take better care of themselves. THERE WAS ZERO MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE
If you got something you couldn’t heal from, you just straight up fucking died. That’s not TaKiNg BeTtEr CaRe oFf yOuRSeLf.
Your teeth rotted out of your mouth hole.
Antibiotics weren't a thing yet
Smallpoxs, syphilis, everything bacterial just fucking killed you.
Childbirth was fucking deadly.
Water was deadly.
Dude that’s why people had so many fucking kids. Most died before adulthood.
Not all men thought this way. I'll give you an example: Sofonisba Anguissola. Her father encouraged her to pursue painting, and made sure his daughters had educations. Sofonisba herself didn't marry until she was around 40, and only because her patron, Phillip II, wanted to make sure she was taken care of.>>96254
Yeah but if I were to be able to travel back in time, I'd probably be able to bring back some medical knowledge, at the very least. Also there was medical knowledge, it's just that depending on the period, it was… shaky. Doctors were divided between the ancient Greeks' methods, and newer, more scientific-based ideas. There were natural cures and remedies. I'm not saying it was paradise, but at least they had something.
It sometimes feels like men love, adore and respect a woman when they don't have her, when she's at a distance and not 'his'.
But after a few months, and her giving her vulnerability to him, he respects her less. And she is no longer beautiful to him, or worthy of respect and care. He seems bored and distant.
Even more, she could have his children, which is giving the most she could to him, and now that she's done the most for him, she becomes less attractive and worthy of respect, but something like a tissue for his snot that has function but no respectability. When she is available on demand she is detested, but when she is distant and half in it, she is adored.
I have never dated a male, or talk to them in my daily life, as I'm 18 and went to school in classes separate from males. So my speculation is only from friends' relationships, or women our family know.
It's weird when you get harassed by old men with wedding rings on, knowing that the probably have a wife who gives a lot to him, educated and intelligent women, and they probably choose to disrespect her and harass teenagers who hate them and give them nothing instead. Do they go home and be a family man again?
Why can't people just give to each other without being taken advantage of?
He apologized. He says this after asking me to raw him. He tells other guys about how he wants to do disgusting things to me. I feel like a fucking moron for ever thinking he wants to be friends. He just objectifies me without ever even offering to commit to a relationship and sullying our friendship. Are all men this way?
Are you for real?
Stop watching so much fucking Outlander.
Delusional take and over romanticism of a time period which you’ve never even lived in. Women were destined to be bangmaids and not write back then. Maybe read a book for once about how women lived before they had rights in place. From eve of dawn details it well.
Even the most attractive looking moid is just ugly to me, I no longer have empathy for one or view them as persons. Most women lose their shit whenever I say this and act like I’ve committed literal murder lmfao. We are the true cucks and simps in society.
nta but in my personal opinion, yes.
Nightmare fuel; I couldn't read the whole thing.
I had a fat old man in his late 50s with a wedding ring on hit on me AFTER he had backed into my car at a supermarket once. After I told him he was dreaming he called me a fat white bitch and told me I wouldn't get a penny from his insurance. I pointed to the dashcam and told him it records for 30 minutes after it detects a collision and that after his insurance company was done with it I'd send a copy to his wife. You've never seen someone go from swine to scared puppy so quick.
I swear they will be looking like a diabetic shrek coming out of his swamp and then get offended when you don't kiss the ground in front of him…im glad you stood up for yourself as im trying to do that more too
This is how I feel except I don’t even have a kid
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Honestly, when I spend too much time on Twitter, I understand where the "not like other girls" mentality comes from. Not saying it's right, but I can understand why some women might develop that attitude. I see so many tweets from pickmes, like "men who do [x] deserve their dick sucked", "the feminism leaving my body when I'm the bedroom", tweets by women talking about how they want to be slapped in the face and experience other violence during sex, etc. All with usually at least 40,000 likes. Meanwhile I never see men making similar tweets about women. I start to feel really alienated but thankfully there are always some women in the quote retweets calling these dumb tweets out which makes me feel better.
This. Don’t use Twitter but it has leaked to everywhere else. The worst part is the “haha fuck women am I right boys” type jokes or “lol ur 20 old hag” type clapbacks. Men will still think of you as subhuman, even if you posture as a “cool girl” online.
>>96527> " lol ur 20 old hag "
did these pronouns in bio kindergarteners forget they aren't on tiktok/neopets
The worst thing in the world is that the women who call out handmaidens for dumb tweets always get mocked, called a prude, or some retard shit
Yea absolutely. Everyone is constantly yaaaas kweeen'ing each other into shit like prostitution and abusive relationships with old moids or violent plastic surgery and it's literally all okay because reeeeeee her body her choice. But the second you yourself say you don't want to participate and are even critical of selling your holes to moids and calling it empowering, you get called a bitch karen swerf terf cunt prude virgin femcel etc etc etc. It's so sick
i like to think a lot of them are just joking and being silly. unfortunately, this is what happens because men encourage women and girls to be like this. i don't know that a lot of NLOGs are NLOG-y because they see an issue with this. a lot of the time NLOGs are pickmes that bend over backwards for men, they just don't declare themselves feminists and often call themselves egalitarians, or anti-feminists, even.
My future tranny senses are tingling with his one.
his troon friends will looooove the homicidal misogyny. perfect base for him to scrawl "TERFs get the rope" above it.
Women who yas kween women into prostitution and abusive relationships think the only unit of value in a person is sex, hence why they choose these specifically. They """sexually liberated""" themself so far that they've made it all the way back to "sex and fuckability is value with which I can judge your worth as person", and then the uneducated swine go and tweet about why moids call them sluts and never want to stick around for them.
Handmaidens, bangmaids, whichever- you have deluded yourselves. You have adopted the moid brain way of thinking that a womans value is linked to her sexuality. You are not feminists
It's okay to want the aesthetics, but not with the principles. Imagine these men in a women-centric society.
Christ, Queen. Good move on the dashcam footage. I would have paid to have seen the look on his face.
The absolute foreshadowing. I give him a few more months.
I'm so fucking tired of scrotes taking out their bad mood on others. I need to move out before I snap. If dad's in a bad mood then you're not allowed to be in a good mood, he'll patrol around to nitpick and order everyone around and if I don't 100% submit it's his green pass to have a mantrum. Once he retires it's life policy time.
You should call him out on it, moids tend to respond well to questions as it makes them feel important. Just say "I can do that, but first can you tell me why you're upset? I don't know if you notice it but you tend to bully people when something gets your goat, why is that? Does upsetting others over trial things make you feel better?"
That just makes them chimp out more.
Why are some girls into the kink scene while having an eating disorder? Literal cope.
Because the moids involved are obsessed with having a girl who will let them act out violent sexual fantasies, so they prey on the vulnerable (read: severely mentally ill) because a girl who hates herself enough to starve herself is easier to manipulate and abuse.
majority of women in the kink scene are women with mental illnesses or horrific trauma from abuse. I've read posts by actual women admitting they use rape roleplay as a way to cope with trauma from being sexually assaulted, and all the comments under those posts are moids drooling over how she let's men do these awful things is so hot to them.
There are genuine moids who seek out anorexic girls specifically because they 1) want the power trip of controlling that poor girls food intake for extra control and 2) have emaciation fetishes.
Walking blobs of cancer, the whole fucking lof them.
I should have added this to my post:
Vulnerable women are attracted to kink stuff because self harm through letting people use them for sex and having people validate you by calling you fuckable are two things mentally ill women are susceptible to
if you keep falling for it then you deserve it
god i fucking hate heteros
I'm reading The Sea, The Sea by Iris Murdoch. the protag is a 60 year old retired moid who is an utter would be womanizer. the entire novel is just him reminiscing on women he's toyed with and past relationships and how all the women are head over heels in love with him, and he's judging the shit out of them saying how they aged poorly and got ugly or are kind of dumb. His high school sweetheart married another man so he spent years harassing her parents and putting ads in the newspaper trying to track her down. He finally finds her when they're both 60 and she's married still (he never married) and he keeps saying things like, "why won't you get close to me again? are you afraid you'll fall in love with me again?" and the woman is trying to escape him and acts super uncomfortable around him and obviously is a devoted wife, but this guy just won't take the hint.
The moid is meant to be an unlikeable protag, and I'm just stunned at how well the author represents exactly what is wrong with moids. Even at 60 they still think the entire universe revolves around their penis. I'm only halfway through but I hope the moid falls down a staircase.
>>95814>you said you were in too much pain
Reminds me. I had an ex who would say he had back pain and used that as an excuse to lash out in anger, act bitchy, make me cry, and never want to do anything except sit and play video games (because that is just great for your back.) and the entire time i never told him i had plenty of crippling physical pain of my own that i never let show. men are such bitches with pain. i've never in my life been a cunt to someone because i was in physical pain, but men take the excuse to be a dickhole and run with it. they really are the weaker gender.>ohhh waaahhhhhh i lived a sedentary lifestyle and now my back hurts now i get to act like a princess and be a dick to everyone
men are just humans who never grew up. >that letter
too much to even make a post about. if i was that woman's friend i would track that moid down and pull out all his fingernails.
i see no problem with prison abolition. just murder the offenders and you also get out of jail for it.>oh that pedophile you let out of prison? yeah haha so i loaded the rifle and put it on a tripod one night. good thing prison is abolished, now, excuse me, out of my way. i think i just spotted the village rapist.
there's a lot wrong with the idea of prison abolition. besides, your ass will just get murdered by vigilante chomos and rapists. more men have sympathy for rapists than they do for women with righteous anger.
Fuck scrotes, fuck trannies, fuck jannies, fuck jannie trannies
hi cc from lolcow.farms
Likewise, look at countries with proper rehabilitative prisons as opposed to punitive ones. Their crime rates are much lower. I think rapists and murderers should be executed and everything else should be properly rehabilitated.
I’ve never been in love
I sometimes think there truly is no one out there, you know
But it sounds fun
that they dont understand or know women's bodies yet insist they do and only perpetuate misogyny based on ignorance
Anons - is it worth dating now? Literally everyone I've met for the past 8 years has been addicted to porn. Porn addiction manifests in relationships in all sorts of weird ways and for the most part something most porn addicts have in common is that if you try to accommodate one you'll just end up dissatisfied, disappointed, depression, financially exhausted and emotionally exhausted as well as the heaping amount of body issues and eating disorders being with the scrotes gives you and the health effects along with it all
I just got out of like the fourth LTR with a porn addicted coomer. I don't even know if it's worth it anymore. I just want to feel properly loved and protected for once in my life with a guy but all of them just turn to porn and end up hurting me and I just fall in the same cycle. I guess my best bet would be to invest in a good vibrator and get a rent a friend to cuddle with and do things with like go on dates, I'd rather play pretend for a while because even in relationships I always overly invest too much and get hurt constantly. I just want to feel loved and happy
Because I'm a human being and desire having a relationship and sex with a man. There's nothing wrong with admitting to your or others human qualities, because then you can take the next step to fix them. I would love a relationship but porn addiction in every single man completely ruined that for me. My best bet is a very butch woman or a man who someway somehow has little to no internet exposure
Call me a prude but it's a combination of the fact moids have shit for brains and young girls and women feel the need to put what is basically softcore porn everywhere they possibly can. The bra stuffers and video editors on TikTok, titty streamers, constantly doing any pose possibly to make your proportions look extreme, the normality of fakeness, etc. Sure there's a time and place for that but when so many men and women are struggling with porn addiction it's not fair that you can barely watch music now without seeing big fake tits or hell, sometimes you can barely see cat videos without people shoving porn in your face. Even Billie eilish resorted to bra stuffing and coomer baiting and making her stuffed-bra boobs her personality after trying to convince everyone not to sexualize her. On top of this the women who defend these actions and say there's some moid grooming women into this is also in the wrong, and even if that was true, how are they going to even learn that what they're doing it wrong if no one tells them its wrong?
I don't search porn or watch porn but if I go to YouTube or reddit right now and even searching innocent stuff gets coom baited or how reddit is like 70% porn now and the fact slutty tiktoks like the "outfit change" tiktoks will appear on YouTube for no apparent reason. This is ridiculous that a culture allows unrealistic body expectations for women, expect sluttiness from women but also coom bait men regularly
Well, it would be for the better if this country wouldn't exist. Europe just being one country like the US would benefit everyone here
This is so disgusting and of bad taste. How can people approve of it?
That would just end up being Big Germany, which no thanks.
So a naive Catholic guy or an amish bloke
Western Euro here. Nah, I'm fine with Europe not being one country. The only people who really benefit from something like that is a country that doesn't handle itself too well
>kill,lie,cheat and rape
>why dont women trust us?
>>98931>>98936>Hitler's corpse shaking in the grave as his long haul gamble comes to fruition
The US would benefit from being more like Europe. It's clear that different groups in the US don't get along and need their own territories.
That's what a scrote would say. There are always impirialistic and supremacist ideas behind a statement like this. It would only lead to war. I'm actually for the abolition of all borders because I'm not schizo or retarded
Paranoid much? I'm not "imperialistic" or "supremacist", I'm not even American.
My post will most likely will be reported, because people here are about as insecure as on lolcow but anyway
Most of the problems men blame on women are their own. The same goes the other way around. If you blame men for being selfish - you’re most likely an egoist, buttblasted that they pursue their personal aspirations, while you are too meek to do the same. If you blame them for cheating, most likely you’ve either done that yourself, or at least thought about doing it unironically.
The only thing moids can be REALLY blamed for is sexual harassment.
All your petty stories here are one sided for a reason. You are not a trustworthy source.
Not a moid, not a troon, just jaded enough to see both incel and femcel communities for what they really are.
Narcissism and external loci of control are genderless and universal
Okay retard. This is just "no u" the post.
>>99038>If you blame them for cheating, most likely you’ve either done that yourself, or at least thought about doing it unironically.
and what exactly do you recommend to women to prevent cheating?
I swear to God men think they're the only people in the world sometimes
>Kim k and reality show ladies are often made memes of when they cry
>It's male oppression when it happens to a man though
>Men get told to man up when they cry
>Nevermind the fact women are constantly called attention whores if they cry, as if dismissing emotions wasn't enough trying to convince women there's actually a sinister intention behind their own feelings
>Women like Amanda Todd become memes for suicide but men committing suicide is serious and suicide is suddenly bad
>>99091>Women like Amanda Todd>women
She was a teenage girl who got groomed and blackmailed by a pedophile so that makes it even worse. I was around her age when it happened and it was so disgusting to see literal adults making fun of her tits and calling her a whore. Hell world.
seriously reddit is filled with
"gIrl nOt DePReSsEd they just listen to billie eilish and think they can experience deep emotions like men"
women getting called hysterical, anti woman terms like 'entitled bitch' and 'karen' are widespread and although sometimes valid are mostly overused and against women
and people assuming everything a woman does is for attention or to be 'quirky', can we not just exist without being perceived so misogynistically?
and yeah, the 'man up' is definitely caused by men bullying men, and only caring about it to silence women when they talk about their problems
No, this isn't good, either.
>>99098>>99115>>99091>tfw blackmailed and groomed by the same dude (Aydin Coban)
FBI came to my house and wanted me to testify but I refused
What's even worse is the jokes continue after she died
Wtf was wrong with people during that era
All the victim blaming toward her, I would internalize toward myself
let's be clear: the people who harassed in life and death her were largely teenage boys and men. horrific. i'm so sorry you were blackmailed by this fucking demon.
Am Canadian and would rather have a bear as a boyfriend.
A bear will never make you doubt where you stand with them.
And you can always shoot it.
>>99038>insecure as on lolcow
butthurt much, handmaiden-chan? got your ass punched on lc because you are a retard, so you decided to come here and whine about women's problems being projection? not trusting women when they tell about male atrocities and victimblame them (telling that all our problems with men is a "projection" is victimbalming, ok?) is not new - you are not breaking new ground here. there is an actual cultural tradition of that. >The only thing moids can be REALLY blamed for is sexual harassment.
as if institualized misogyny doesnt exist. you are either really stupid or really naive. gtfo from my board, fag.
Do you even realize how awful open borders would be for women?
The scrotes in westernized countries are barely human, what about all the 3rd worlders who would literally FORCE you to be a bangmaid rather than just fantasize about it like the coomers we're surrounded with.
What is your problem with sovereignty?
Why does europe need to be an immigrant republic, like the USA?
My dad had a cousin who got married to an African, and he took her back to his village to "meet his family", but it turns out people in his village share the woman so she was raped by all the men before she could come back. Truly the European dream.
Jesus christ anon, what the fuck? Nobody deserves to be passed around and raped like that. This woman was obviously naive and some moid took advantage of that.
But I agree about the open borders thing. Let's not forget Rochdale. People from the middle east were coming in, joining rings that owned chip shops, and grooming/raping teens in the area for YEARS. In the west moids are shit but christ the third world moids don't even have fake standards that they have to pretend to care about
I'm considering writing an anti male manifesto. Something along the lines of the SCUM manifesto, but I'm unsure of how to go about it. I have about 3 topics planned out but I want to make sure I don't miss anything by accident, anyone have any ideas?
This is the most male thing I’ve ever read. Some of the points aren’t even wrong but damn, women just do not talk like this
Yes many ideas, if you make a new thread id love to lurk see what people are saying and possibly contribute. Have an anti-feminist tranny male in my life that makes me actually cry in frustration. Write the book. Save our souls.
And now what? Do you think that because you posted this, we will stop posting and lock the thread?
> Also which points do you disagree with?
a moid wants to ~debate~, what a surprise
Why do you think she's male? There are a lot of moid apologizers out there. 10 bucks that anon has a boyfriend or a crush on a guy and can't stand that other women talk about men negatively because it sours her fantasies of them.
> to find better men
but I don't want to
if you meant as in "work on your surroundings to find better men to interact to and work this" then loooool - it just doesn't work this way
i hate unwanted men intruding on my life and not leaving when told they are unwanted
>Does that really sound like something you want?
NTA but yes that is literally what I want, how fucking brainwashed are you that you think it's the worst case scenario? Oh no what will I do with all my peace and quiet, money and independence. I need a moid to use me for my physical and emotional labour, my life goal is to be a nurse and a purse for an old bald man one day.
NTA but she was talking about being alone, not longevity.
Read the links, dumbass. All of those women have zero fucking regrets about not chaining themselves to some worthless moid through marriage and openly say so.
pooranon here, even my dad is sick and my mother is working and i am The First Born and can conrifm you are youre wrong go home and be your own housewife because men wrote the story and a beast is a beast, dont change yourself to make a man more liekable
I could find examples of old women saying the opposite. Anecdotes are good for certain things but statistics would be more reasonable in this case. >>99402
Use you? In a good relationship you support each other, it is not as one-sided as you make it out to be. Now maybe you never experienced that but that does not mean it can not be that way.
With that attitude you will never attract the kind of man who would be interested in a relationship like that. Just men who only care about sex. You dig your own hole.
What do you think about MGTOWs? I don't understand why they need to harass girls and why there even needs to be a movement and a philosophy about just living your life normally when it's always been an option for moids and is in fact a very common way of life for our generation anyway.
At least back when women had to declare they'd like to be independent they ended up getting jobs and buying their own houses while MGTOWs just sit in mama's basement crying about not getting pussy, what's the fucking point?
the point is just misogyny. It was never about going your own way it was only a support group for middle aged bitter moids who had nothing to do besides bitch about their "evil wife" or "evil ex wife". misogynistic incels in their 20s jumped onto it because males love to circlejerk over their hatred of women. Thats literally it and nothing deeper. They try to paint it as some specul epic club but everyone knows what it is.
Men love the idea of rejecting women and almost obsess over hypothetical fantasies where it's actually them who are doing the rejecting and never vice versa
MGTOW aids in this because most men who are in MGTOW are either incels or their wife/gf left them and it's cope, because in their head they're all Greek level gods that are playboys no woman could resist, when women reject or no longer want them they can't stand that. Just look at how they talk "you'll come crawling back you'll see!!" Or just constantly insulting women for no reason and then getting insanely offended by women for simply just existing in their presence. Its insane how much men are obsessed with the idea of rejecting women, I once knew a man who would make up scenarios to his gf about how his ex totally came over crawling and begging for him back, I asked her, the ex, about it and it turns out this never even happened! Men are so pathetic
>>99426>statistics would be more reasonable in this case.
Statistics also back up the fact that single women are the happiest and live the longest kek. Cope and seethe.https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/may/25/women-happier-without-children-or-a-spouse-happiness-expert
Sharing this bc he's annoying:
"Elon Musk's explosive temper toward Tesla staff and chaotic meltdowns are revealed in a new book describing how he once told his overworked staff they have no right to complain because, 'I can be on my own private island with naked supermodels, drinking Mai Tai's - but I'm not.'
Musk even shouted at an executive who had the temerity to tell him that exhausted employees should be allowed some time off in 2016.
Musk said: 'I'm in the factory working my a** off, so I don't want to hear about how hard everyone else in the factory works.'
The incident happened during the development of Tesla's Model X SUV but was one of many blow ups from Musk, whose temper was explosive as he pursued his dream of building a commercially viable electric car.
According to the book, Power Play: Tesla, Elon Musk and the Bet of the Century by Wall Street Journal reporter Tim Higgins, Musk went ballistic at a lobbyist for car dealerships in Texas who argued against Tesla selling direct to consumers, telling his staff: 'Get that guy the f*
out of here'.
Musk screamed at one group of engineers that their work was 'complete s', adding that each person had to tell him 'who the f
you are and what the f*
you're doing to fix my goddamn (production) line'.
To another unfortunate employee, Musk said: 'I thought I fired you yesterday.'
Power Play by Wall Street Journal tech and auto reporter Higgins also sheds new light on how deeply Musk fell for Amber Heard.
The book says that during 2016 he was 'trying to see her as much as possible,' even if it meant leaving himself shattered by flying to Australia for a few hours in her company then returning to the US.
Reports of Musk's temper have only added to the myth around a man whose stewardship Tesla has reached a market valuation of $31 billion and revolutionized the car industry.
Musk, whose other projects include his SpaceX rocketship company, was motivated by a 'relentless drive' to produce an affordable and reliable electric car, Higgins writes.
He would sleep on the factory floor and gave interviews in T-shirts he hadn't changed in three days.
Higgins describes Musk's way of operating as the 'ultimate game of chicken': sell investors and consumers on his vision just enough that he could stay ahead of creditors, competitors and regulators.
Higgins writes: 'And while Musk's vision, enthusiasm, and determination carry Tesla; his ego, paranoia, and pettiness threaten to undo it all'.
Few were spared from Musk's meltdowns and he would fire people on a whim, including his personal assistant of 12 years who he reportedly sacked for asking for a raise. Musk has denied this.
Musk once emailed his staff that he expected them to be 'ultra hardcore' and said that 'revolutionizing industries is not for the faint of heart.'
In 2007 Musk was so angry at his team in Detroit during the production of the company's luxury Roadster car he told Tesla co-founder Martin Eberhard: 'Fire all of them. Every one of them.'
Eberhard ignored Musk but soon the axe came for him too - in brutal fashion.
Musk offered Eberhard six months of salary worth $100,000 and an option to buy 250,000 shares if he accepted the deal that day.
If he didn't then he would get nothing. Eberhard signed.
Another early victim of Musk's temper was Jessica Switzer, who ran marketing for Tesla and made the mistake of hiring a PR firm to drum up publicity for the launch of the Roadster and was dismissed because Musk thought it was a waste of money.
When a New York Times story referred to Eberhard as chairman and not his new, diminished role of President - and didn't mention Musk at all - Musk emailed the PR firm.
He wrote: 'I was incredibly insulted and embarrassed by the NY Times article.
'If anything like this happens again, please consider (your) relationship with Tesla to end immediately upon publication of such a piece.'
The Roadster proved that Tesla could make an electric car: the next car, the Model S, proved that they could mass produce one.
But the process was painful and Musk took out his frustration on his senior managers, once telling one of them: 'This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Don't ever show it to me again.'
A week later the manager was fired.
In 2016 Musk's staff on the factory floor at the Tesla factory in Fremont, California were in 'revolt' after months of tension about having to work weekends at short notice.
Higgins writes: 'At the end of the assembly line one evening, (Vice President Josh) Ensign and Musk got into a heated debate about giving the workers time off.
'The factory boss made the case that the team needed to rest. Ensign's entire argument seemed to set Musk off.
'I can be on my own private island with naked supermodels, drinking mai tais, but I'm not,' Musk bellowed. 'I'm in the factory working my a** off, so I don't want to hear about how hard everyone else in the factory works.'
'And with that Musk stomped off,' Higgins writes.
Musk wanted to call the next Tesla car the Model E because he wanted the letters of their models to spell S-E-X - the previous model was called S.
It turned out Ford had the trademark for the Model E so they called it the Model 3 instead.
But production for the Model 3 was even more difficult as the stakes were higher.
Musk had set the ambitious goal of delivering 100,000 Model 3s by the end of September 2018, more cars than the company sold in the entire prior year.
Musk himself has referred to this period of production as 'hell' and during this time he was sleeping at the factory or pulling all night shifts because of constant problems.
According to Higgins, one evening Musk 'summoned to a conference room a group of engineers who were focused on making the assembly line work.'
Power Play says: 'He stormed in and proceeded to tell them all that their work was 'complete s*
'He ordered each person to go around the room and tell him ''who the f you are and what the f
you're doing to fix my goddamn line.''
As he berated the team, one of the engineers had had enough and quit to Musk's face.
Higgins claims that Musk 'screamed as the young engineer walked out.'
He writes:' In another meeting, Musk walked in to find a manager that he'd grown unhappy with and said: 'I thought I fired you yesterday.'
Around this time a senior sales manager quit after two years with the company, a decision which reached Musk and sent him into a rage.
At the Fremont delivery center, he approached the manager 'screaming profanities as he towered over him, telling him to leave.'
Musk said: 'I don't want anyone here who is going to quit on me during a time as important as now'.
Musk followed the man into the parking lot in a scene that was 'ugly and public enough that the board ultimately felt a need to investigate, amid accusations that Musk had physically pushed the manager.'
No action against Musk was taken.
One of the ways in which Tesla changed the auto industry was by selling direct to consumers in its own showrooms, rather than working with existing dealerships.
As Tesla tried to move into Texas, Musk had a meeting with Bill Wolters, a long time lobbyist for car dealerships, to see if they could work together.
It devolved into a shouting match with Musk saying: 'I'm going to spend a fu**ing billion dollars to overturn the dealer franchise laws in America.'
Wolters shot back: 'The quality and safety of every Texan in my state, 28 million people, depends on the franchise dealer network.'
Musk jumped up and left the room, slamming the door and saying: 'Get that guy the f*
out of here!'
Musk would later tell people that Wolters accused him of being un-American, a claim Wolters denies.
Musk's use of Twitter got him into trouble too.
Musk freely interacts with fans on the social media site and uses it to comment on everything from cryptocurrency to SpaceX.
In a Tweet Musk refuted many of the claims in Power Play, saying: 'Higgins managed to make his book both false and
Musk's bravado led to him calling British caver Vernon Unsworth a 'pedo' in an online spat about which submarine to use in 2018 to rescue 12 boys trapped in a cave in Thailand.
In an email to a Buzzfeed reporter, Musk said: 'I f
hope he sues me.'
Unsworth sued for $190million in a defamation case but Musk won after his lawyer argued his comments were a joke.
Musk got into a row with Tim Cook, the chief executive of Apple, in 2016 when Cook called Musk to suggest Apple buy Tesla.
Musk expressed his interest in the idea but had one condition, telling Cook: 'I'm CEO.'
Cook at first thought Musk meant that he wanted to remain CEO of Tesla after the merger, and said that he was not opposed to the idea.
But when Musk clarified that he expected to take Cook's job as Apple CEO, Cook responded
you' and hung up, according to Power Play.
As Musk's fame grew, his personal life grew increasingly colourful - he has seven children with three different women.
After his divorce from his first wife Justine collapsed, Musk married actress Talulah Riley twice before they split for good.
In 2016 Musk began dating Amber Heard during her bitter split from husband Johnny Depp but their relationship put his already strained life under impossible stress.
Higgins writes that Musk was well known for needing little sleep but with Heard he 'seemed to be stretching his already vexing schedule to accommodate her'.
Higgins writes: 'He was taking seemingly spur-of-the-moment trips to Australia aboard his jet, where she was filming the movie Aquaman, and returning after spending very little time on the ground'.
While Tesla was scrambling to produce the Model X and the Model 3, Musk was spotted by the tabloids with Heard at nightclubs in London and Miami.
Higgins writes: 'He commented during staff meetings that the travel was getting to him. It was clear to those around him that he was trying to see her as much as possible.'
'Lack of sleep is not a thing for him, he operates on a fine level with a couple hours of sleep a night', one longtime aide said.
'The thing that was more taxing on him was all of the travel and the various time zones'.
Musk and Heard eventually split and he is currently with the musician Grimes, with whom he has a one-year-old son who he gave the colorful name X Æ A-Xii."https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9856537/Elon-Musks-explosive-temper-overworked-Tesla-staff-revealed-new-book.html
It's unfortunate but his type of personality is how you get ahead in that kind of business.
I can't remember what it was said exactly but there was tea on LSA about him by a former co-worker, a year ago. I think the alleged tea was he was such a control freak he demanded to take over the design of a parking lot, a simple job apparently, but he was so lazy, incompetent and unreliable it took months, and he ended up fucking it up costing masses of money. He was eventually pushed out altogether, which surprised us, but this font said he doesn't have as much power as you'd think. Apparently he's not as rich as he makes himself out to be either (has HUGE debts) nor influential, and hasn't been for a long time but various powerful men were willing to help him keep up the illusion/good press because he's popular and his name brings in investments/interest to projects. But he's such a cunt he's burned a lot of bridges and they're letting him fall/fail. A font predicted increasingly bad press coming his way. So, this interests me.
the majority of his wealth anyways comes from the stock he owns in tesla, doesn't it?
PayPal and Tesla, presumably. Allegedly, he is wealthy, but far, far from billionaire status and has been selling his investments and property to repay debts, cover various legal costs, etc. I mean who knows? LSA has had its fair share of genuine tea, but fanfic is not unknown lol.
seem to actually try to live their lives without female influence in it (sometimes sperging about """succubi""" tho). but migtoes are all frauds
Elon Musks Tesla stocks are worth about 200 billion dollars. I don't think he has enough debt to cancel this out. People with this wealth, like Bezos or Bloomberg have shown, that they can just throw billions out of the window without being affected.
I may have been different a few years ago, but I really can't imagine the 2nd richest person also having an equal amount of 200 billion dollars of debt.
When I was younger, due to media and general stereotypes, I thought that scrotes hated relationships and only tolerated them because women wanted them. Then when I started lurking scrote spaces online I found that having a girlfriend actually seems to be a huge deal for straight scrotes, to the point that they will consider suicide or start shooting up public spaces if they can't get one by the age of 21 or whatever. So apparently scrotes are desperately in need of a single positivity movement, since romantic relationships are probably the #1 most important thing for them in life.
>So apparently scrotes are desperately in need of a single positivity movement, since romantic relationships are probably the #1 most important thing for them in life.
this isn't common knowledge?
Friendly reminder that men really do hate pickmes and dislike them, because no matter what a woman believes she should still not have an opinion.