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Using meds without medication: fucking stupid? Anonymous 133818

Hello s, im looking for some genuine advice.

Basically, i think i have something going wrong with my head, maybe ocd or something wrong but there is shit that doesnt work properly.

i dont have neither the cash nor the time to get into therapy and get diagnosed, but i fear that this shit is actively making my life way worse, for me and those around me.

So now for the thread topic, heard that many ppl that got better in life with the use of medicatons, i was thinking of prozac in particular.

Do you think it would be fucking stupid to try and get it in other ways, without prescriptions? What are the cons? Can it improve my life?

Ricky because him and trailer park boys are the only thing keeping me sane

Anonymous 133819

>>133818
im fucking stupid, i wanted to write s not s

Anonymous 133825

If you have OCD, medically speaking, just prozac isn't gonna cut it without OCD therapy. Considering you don't even know whats wrong I would not fuck with that stuff. I wouldn't say anything bad is going to happen you're probably just going to absolutely waste money and nothing is going to change.

Anonymous 133835

It's no different than taking any of the shit drugs, you are putting yourself in a position of lack of control.

If you feel so strongly about it I'm sure you will make the time to get therapy eventually

Anonymous 133837

>>133825
Allright, thank you very very much. You think that maybe getting some proper therapy can work Better than meds?

Anonymous 133838

>>133835
Thank you! Yeah maybe It's Better of i Just try therapy and get away from this stupid idea.
Is It true that these meds Will Just remove my feelings?

Anonymous 133839

>>133835
> you are putting yourself in a position of lack of control.
As opposed to a position where you are sick and unmedicated? Yeah right.
I still wouldn’t suggest OP take drugs though because I’m not confident about that.

Anonymous 133841

>>133835
>It's no different than taking any of the shit drugs, you are putting yourself in a position of lack of control.
why are you making it sound like prozac is the same as opioids? Are you retarded?

>>133838
>Is It true that these meds Will Just remove my feelings?
No. Prozac is an SSRI and simply causes more serotonin to be active in the brain. It is meant to increase some level of emotional stability, that is really about it. It is an incredibly mild drug and there is a lot of debate about how much it even works compared to placebo. It takes weeks to even build up enough to be useful. What you're thinking of is probably something like a mood stabilizer or benzodiazepine. These are much different medications.

>>133837
You think that maybe getting some proper therapy can work Better than meds?
Honestly, it really depends on what you're dealing with. Some debilitating mental conditions really need medication (bipolar disorder, schizophrenia), whereas others mostly or only respond to therapy (personality disorders and trauma disorders). It is a mixed bag, and psych in general is confusing, constantly changing, deeply subjective, and doesn't have the replicability of other sciences, sadly.

Anonymous 133842

>>133818
You never really said what was wrong with you so I don't think anyone could give you an accurate answer.

Anonymous 133847

>>133841
thank you so much for the complete response ! Such a shame because from what you're saying prozac sounds really nice, but yeah maybe i should just stop being a bitch and try getting back in therapy. Thanks a lot again!

Anonymous 133848

>>133842
the thing is, unfortunaly i myself dont fully know

Anonymous 133849

>>133818
>Do you think it would be fucking stupid to try

yes. exhaust every other possibility available to you first before you put chemicals from the factory in your body.

the things that work the best that would help you the most, you have heard them recommended countless times, you could probably list them without me having to mention a single one, you just didn't really give them an honest attempt.

find a way, believe in yourself. try more stuff that might help you and stick with it for a while until you know for sure if it works for you.

Anonymous 133850

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>>133818
Your number one priority should be to figure out what psychological problem exactly it is that you "have", i. e. getting a diagnosis from a doctor. Don't take some random medicine if you don't even know what it is that you're trying to cure.

Anonymous 133851

>>133848
>the thing is, unfortunaly i myself dont fully know
You may never know. I think its important to make peace with that if you go on a therapy journey because these things vary from clinician to clinician. The subjectivity of this science is its biggest flaw. Even diagnostic manuals (the big ones are the DSM and ICD in the west) show different disorders and models between them. There are disorders in the DSM and ICD some clinicians don't even believe exist (for instance John Hopkins is pretty dismissive of structural dissociation, despite enough robust evidence for several diagnoses to exist based on that model). At the end of the day you have to decide, "is this helping me?" That is all that matters.

>>133847
>Such a shame because from what you're saying prozac sounds really nice, but yeah maybe i should just stop being a bitch and try getting back in therapy. Thanks a lot again!
Admittedly, SSRIs did not help me, and I am skeptical about their viability compared to placebo, but I can't deny it does help some people or that some people perceive it to be helping them. I'm not going to say "don't try them ever." But definitely wait and try other things first. Wasting a bunch of money on this stuff is disheartening and I won't lie to you and act like therapy is definitely going to help. It didn't for me and doesn't for many people, but it is worth a try not to suffer, right? I would look into low cost therapy options. I know sometimes they're associated with universities. Wish I could help you more with this, but since obviously this is an anonymous site, I wish you the best of luck on your healing journey.

Anonymous 133853

If we’re sharing our experiences with meds, I took Prozac for a few months and it helped a lot, and even then my doctor was very insistent I find therapy. My mental dropped to its previous levels when I stopped taking it pretty much. Prozac (specifically, the European brand for the same formula) is extremely cheap in my country so I don’t think you’re going to bankrupt yourself if it ends up working.

Still, keep in mind that even when they are effective you need to pair them with therapy and work.

Anonymous 133881

>>133850
>Your number one priority should be to figure out what psychological problem exactly it is that you "have",

i don't think that is wise. doctors will either prescribe you a pill, prescribe you a surgery or some kind of therapy. physical therapy is different but psychological therapy in many cases is just checking boxes in a questionaire oder answering questions that result in recommendations that you could have easily come up with yourself if you bothered to did some digging yourself.

also i reject this industrial perspective of problem-solution. what if there isn't a problem? what if what appears as a psychological problem is completely reasonable behavior given the situation.

what i believe to be a way better approach is to build a model of mental health. what is mentally healthy? how to achieve mental health? doctors deal in disease and not in health. any respectable doctor would spend most of his time advocating prevention. an approach like that i expect to automatically fill any gaps if there are any.

Anonymous 133889

>>133881
>i don't think that is wise.
But taking a random medication, despite having no idea what your "problem" is, or how that medication will ultimately affect your body, since you have no medical or psycho-therapeutic know-how whatsoever, is?
>doctors will either prescribe you a pill, prescribe you a surgery or some kind of therapy
You realize you don't actually have to do whatever it is the doctor recommends you to do if you disagree with him, right? The point is just to get a basic idea of what the problem actually is, from a person that has a professional understanding of the human body / mind / hormones / psyche. And even then you can still disagree with the doctors results, if you have reasons to do so, but it will almost certainly give you some degree of insight or at least perspective on what's wrong with you, some degree of information that you can use to evaluate the problem. Again, my point is that identifying what it is that is causing you anguish is the number one priority, once you know what the problem is, you can choose how to deal with it as you see fit (be it with medication, therapy, taking a different approach to life, etc).
>what if there isn't a problem? what if what appears as a psychological problem is completely reasonable behavior given the situation.
Then your therapist / doctor will tell you as much. And even if they try to ""sell you on being mentally ill"" because they are ""greedy and in cahoots with big pharma"" (I'm not american, so I don't know in how far these sorts of claims are based in reality or if they're just a popular superstition. I can say for certain that it's untrue for my european home country) you can just tell them no (but I've already explained this concept of getting a 2nd opinion and then still making your own decisions beforehand). But this is irrelevant to the OP regardless, because the OP already identified there being a problem with her life. As long as the OP feels there is a problem, there is a problem with how she feels. Technically she could "get rid of the problem" by ceasing to view it as such: she could just "stop caring". However, as she has described "making the lives of those around her way worse" due to what she perceives as a problem, stopping to treat it as a problem would entail an abandonment of empathy and sympathy for those who are close to her, which would in itself likely create a new problem for her (unless she's a psychopath). Also you can't really choose to just "stop caring" about something anyways, it requires some degree of influence from the outside (such as new insights). Trying to "fix" the problem would not only cease the anguish for her, but also those around her (at least the anguish caused by OP), whereas stopping to care about it would stop her anguish only.
>what i believe to be a way better approach is to build a model of mental health. what is mentally healthy? how to achieve mental health?
You can do that and still visit a doctor to get his opinion though? And really this "approach" just takes you back to the beginning. The OP is already asking these questions. One could answer these questions by pumping yourself full of medicine too, so I don't know why you're presenting this as an alternate approach to medication / therapy, when it's just a prior step that can lead to those things too. Asking these questions is basically the grounds for identifying that there exists a problem with your mental health (which, again, the OP has already demonstrated as being aware of), but it does not help you with identifying what the problem exactly is or how to fix it by itself (as the OP once again demonstrates). Basically this is unhelpful, meaningless advice in the context of the OP.
>any respectable doctor would spend most of his time advocating prevention. an approach like that i expect to automatically fill any gaps if there are any.
You can't "prevent" genuine mental illness just by "thinking different" or whatever it is you're trying to say. Someone with schizophrenia can't "prevent" hearing voices and having a psychotic break by "making a model of mental health in his mind". All your advice only works if you're just suffering from some sort of "seasonal depressive mood" or "temporary negative mood swing". Seeing as we haven't remotely identified the severity of OPs mental problems, this is again unhelpful advice.

Again, here's what to do:
>identify / evaluate the problem (research symptoms, get doctors / therapists opinion, etc)
>identify / evaluate your treatment options
>choose your form of treatment (this can include "doing / changing nothing" or "learning to stop viewing it as a problem and not changing anything about your behavior")
>evaluate how well your chosen treatment is working for you (stop it / do something else if you are unhappy with it)
>???
>profit

Anonymous 133900

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>>133841
>>133849
>>133850
>>133851
>>133889

s, i really dont know how to thank you all, every time i wrote something here you've all been extremely helpful and kind, even now!
I Will treasure all of your suggestions and try to get something good from my days that doesnt involve getting on the meds, i'll also try to get in contact with my uni for cheaper therapy.

Really don't know how to thank y'all, have a wonderful night! (Or day!)

Anonymous 133901

>>133889
I absolutely don't want to invalidate the others that still have me really nice suggestions, but thank you so much especially to you !! Will treasure everything you and all the others said

Anonymous 133938

random passer-by here, but i've suffered from anxiety/compulsion stuff, there's a supplement (N-acetyl cysteine) that really helped ease it. Also cured my gfs severe nailbiting habit. Cheap and good safety profile, only issue is it smells like sulfur.

Anonymous 133965

>>133938
that's interesting! Can you get it without prescription?



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