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This thread is about to attract so much bait.

Anyways I'll get scrotefoiled for this but I don't feel bad for her, it might've been psychosis causing this but those kids didn't deserve it and if she's in that bad of a mental state she should probably be kept under supervision. I dislike the husband though, why wasn't he keeping an eye on his kids or making sure his wife was ok? People saying they wanna kill their babies for this is unhinged though, gives me vibes of those "Regretful Parents" subreddits where they say they wanna murder suicide their children

Good job derailing this shit thread with your preteen cartoon discussions or whatever.

>>332322
Total baby death!
She just did a late term abortion, there isn't much difference between outside or inside of the womb.

Im reminded why we picked the bear

>>12225
Exactly, bears don't kill their cubs

>>332408
Shut up, troon

I think it might be a psyop because it's all over the media though I'm not sure what the angle is

>>332423
Kill all men

>>12224
Yikes

Her defenders remind me of people defending Polina Dvorkina

>>12221
I can't honestly tell if it's a psyop anymore or not.

Social media has fucked up a lot of my friends. I know some of them that unironically agree.

>>332330
Kek

>>12231
You have friends

My impression from the story I heard is that it was premeditated because of how she deliberately sent off her husband as far away as she needed. Although I’ve also heard their state is one of those with the more lax rules for NGRI.

It doesn’t matter if she is guilty or “not”, she’s being sent off for a long time anyway. The people who donated to her should’ve given like 1% to me and I’d have enough to pay off a down payment, what a waste desu.

I also don’t really understand her alleged psychosis, maybe it’s just the experience I’ve had with it, but I don’t think “hearing a male voice commands” alone sounds very convincing. Maybe I didn’t see much accounts of paranoia, broadcast thinking, delusions, I could’ve just missed it. These actions are possible outside of psychosis, although I’d like to review other mother murder suicide cases before I say for certain.
Also at least if she had lucid enough periods to seek help, then she had the ability to remove herself from her children. This is even if she was psychotic.

>>12234
And to be clear, my position pretty much is that her agency was impaired but she didn’t make a sufficient effort to deal with her mental state. As far as I recall she gave up on counseling for one, no? Correct me if I wrong.
So she might not be a full cold blooded killer, but she has a degree of responsibility still.

Apparently forensic psychs did find she was likely psychotic, but that doesn’t mean she was void of agency. So it’s pretty much negligence the way it looks to me.

>>12220
I disturbed by some of the posts I've read on there. But more than anything I thank god I don't have children because all of those parent's lives sound like sheer hell. Especially the mothers, who's husbands never help.

>>12234
>>12235
More importantly maybe we shouldn't be pressuring women to have kids while lying to them that it doesn't destroy their lives if they're not 1000% baby crazy and baby oriented.

>>12237
Irrelevant

>>12234
This is how I see it.

Moids are responsible for a lot of the awful shit in our lives but at some point you do need to take responsibility.

>>12237
She had 3 children. The first one can always be a poor decision but the other 2? How do you make that mistake 2 more times afterwards? The moid can't force you to have 2 more when he's already been locked down by just one. Divorce courts are one of the few places we have an advantage, especially when there's children involved and if you can afford to spend all this time fighting murder charges you could have afforded to document everything and take what's yours in a divorce proceeding.

I'm thinking it's generated now

>>12224
you are a troon, you cannot even get abortions get out of here

Lolcow blackpill retards are defending her

>>12241
Abortions are a human right, dummy.

Do you guys believe the theory that her husband pressured her into having kids or raped her and that's why she went insane? I don't really but I know a lot of people who defend her say this

>>12244
I haven’t heard anything that indicates that.
What I did hear is she kept working night shifts while trying to take care of the kids, and if she has bipolar that’s very dangerous and could have potentially provoked an episode. (Or deteriorated her mental health further)

>>12234
She was in the prodromal phase where she started to lose it but wasn't all the way gone. That's when you start to lose your mind so she probably started planning their murders then but still knew better than to go through with it. She basically wasn't in control of her own actions, this is part of why I believe she should be free and at most put in mandatory therapy or given meds. The system failed her

>>12246
The system has failed a lot of us. Most of us have mental health issues at this point. Shockingly most of us do not commit murder.
>>12245
That's even worse. Her moid was well off. I have sympathy for all the mothers stuck with kids who still have to work but when you get the chance to be a stay at home parent and choose not to? You had the choice.

Can people please stop looking for reasons to defend murder. It just makes us all look bad. Not sure if any of you have checked but there's a bunch of conservative moids in charge right now who would really like to throw away our rights.

Husband’s fault 100%

>>12247
I don't think some of you understand what psychosis is, it's a whole overhaul of yourself so bad to the point people used to think it was possession

>>12251
>so bad to the point people used to think it was possession
exactly… and people who kill children while in a state of psychosis should be behind bars (either in a mental institution or prison) for the rest of their lives; because they could obviously do it again

I don't hate her but she did still kill, I think she should be institutionalized or put on heavy meds for the safety of herself and her remaining loved ones

>>12248
How?

>>12259
Yeah… When I went through psychosis (I'm fine rn don't worry) I shut myself in and hurt myself, not even in my deteriorated mental state could I fathom hurting my sisters (which I was forced to take care of daily by my mother as a teen).

>>12266
Not everyone is the same and post partum psychosis especially is unique

>>12248
I don't really care what she did because men ignore crimes other men do so why not turn a blind eye to what other women do? She was based for killing the sons, should've killed her husband too, wish she didn't kill her daughter but like I said I can't care too much because if I don't care or support what she did it makes men cry and have to confront their own hybristophilia

I get feeling bad that the system failed her but if she's just allowed to go free with nothing more happening then she's gonna end up getting herself killed someday, at least send her to a loony bin

>>12219
I keep seeing this case pop up on my feed and I didn't care to delve into it before. I've seen surface level discourse about it and ugh, I guess I'm going to have to look into it because people are talking about taking away the 19th amendment because of this. I will make a prediction that it's people overreacting to retards online as it usually is, but I'm always up for being stupefied

>>12274
It's mostly KiwiFarms and /pol/ scrotes saying we should repeal the 19th for this. The case is awful and I feel horrible for the kids but one bad woman doesn't mean we should repeal the 19th especially when more scrotes do the same shit

>>12273
Even if she isn’t convicted she will never walk free. She will be institutionalized for rest of her life. You can get away with killing kids unless you are rich or a politician.

>>12275
moids worship mass shooters but this woman is too much

I hate the first worldist ideology that encourages shifting responsibility and accountability around. Especially with women whose predecessors spent like the last 100 years proving that they are not too "hormonal" to make good judgements.

>Umm it's the SYSTEM it's the SOCIETY that wronged me and btw have you looked at what the men/women/brown people/white people are doing

The only thing society did wrong is encourage this retarded behavior

>>12280
I do agree it's not really society's fault because it's not like she was pressured by people to kill her kids (as far as we know at least) but I do feel somewhat bad that she was denied proper care by her psychiatrist. And no that doesn't mean it's ok that she killed her kids or that she deserves 0 consequences, I disagree with most rehabilitative justice tards but this is one of the only times I'd say it applies. If she did a Jodi Arias and just killed her neglectful husband maybe I wouldn't care though I would probably still feel bad for the kids and have some dislike of her for that

>>12282
Yeah I am currently in no position to say whether she received sufficiently proper care by the doctors or by her loved ones, this is not really a case that's clear cut at a glance. IMO Andrea Yates is a much better example of someone who really was failed.

The main reason I bring this up though is because of the mindset her supporters seem to have with uncritically accepting misinformation from tiktok. Not to mention making inane and embarrassing statements or actions about the case seemingly without thinking.

The Internet seems to encourage this, because in the real world that I've been in you can't just excuse all your failures away as much. What matters are the results and it forces people to develop their brain instead of just being morons in their tiktok echo chambers.

>>12282
Retard. Her husband did provide care for her, he hired a FUCKING NANNY to help her out. Rich fucks acting spoiled

>>12290
A lot of anons get their info from Lolcow which is sympathizing with her lately because they're on a kick for talking about killing little boys lately. I guess fantasies of killing animals in the dog/cat hate threads weren't cutting it anymore

>>12291
Saw this in the Lolcow complaints and suggestions thread. Was hoping it would turn out this was bait or the other cases of anons shitting on her were called out but wow this might be one of the worst threads of handmaiden bullshit I've ever fucking seen on this site and that's saying a lot. Defending her abusive husband and denying societal pressures to make women have kids? This site has gone so downhill, it is clearly only troons, men and attention starved women here, how is it that the obvious Rikkafag posts were the least offensive to me?

>>12293
If her husband was abusing her, why didn't she just kill him instead of the children?

>>12293
No you don't live in a third world country and it was your choice to breed with a man. You're not the victim of sOcIeTy

>>12294
>>12295
Oh my god. She was in PSYCHOSIS she wasn't thinking straight and what her husband did was making it worse. Her disgusting moidlet kids were definitely making shit worse for her and would've done disgusting shit when they were adults and the poor fucking daughter would've been groomed into being a pickme by her dad. And how fucking dare you deny societal pressures? Many women are literally cut off from their families for deciding they don't want children. What else can I expect from this fucking moid handmaiden pickme site for fuck's sake

>>12296
Now you're blaming children for crimes they didn't commit. Do you even hear yourself?

>>12298
>white women
Scrotes love mentioning white women, telling who her haters are
>>12297
Boys constantly grow up to commit rape or make women's lives hell. Sorry though I forgot until a moidlet turns 18 he's fully innocent of all wrongdoing, even the teens fantasizing about raping and killing the women in their lives. Kids know the basics of "don't touch someone inappropriately" by the time they're five and they still don't get it into their heads. Additionally notice how you don't make a thread hating on the men who kill their families

>>12299
Stop baiting, your posts aren't interesting

>>12299
You need a hug

>>12300
It's not bait, sorry you think defending a woman who this shitty site known to have handmaidens is shitting on is so bad

>>12302
You're baiting all over lc and here lol

>>12303
I haven't posted on there in hours. If you mean the anon sending pictures of what you're saying itt that's not me it's just how I found out. If you want me to prove that to you well sorry I can't do that because it's anonymous but maybe consider growing a brain and not accusing everyone who hates men of being the same person

she should have been separated from her kids well before she entered a psychotic state. everyone failed here. everyone except those babies

>>12282
Retard. Her husband did provide care for her, he hired a FUCKING NANNY to help her out. Rich fucks acting spoiled

I swiped this from Lolcow's Shoe0nHead thread, predictably they're infighting again lol. Does this mean she's just going to a mental hospital or going free? If it's just a mental hospital that's good, if it's free then she's gonna end up killing herself in her next episode probably (not wishing that on her but it's realistic). Also did they really only have one man on the jury or is this just rightoids lying to give an excuse to say how women are so evil

>>12307
From the information I’ve heard there was 3 men on the jury.

>>12307
They're going for a plea deal or a retrial.

Normies have embraced feminism for a woman who killed 3 kids, one of which was a girl by the way, but are still shitting on Amber Heard and Jodi Arias for standing up to the men who literally beat them. Lindsay goes free but Jodi is spending life in prison with no protests for her

>>12312
The whims of the tiktok algorithm are a mystery to us all

>>12312
Sometimes I think supporting female criminals might seem edgy and transgressive to many normie women or even feminists. I don't think the same women who support Lindsay Clancy also went after Amber and Jodi.

>>12280
You never complain about Chris Watts or Pro Epstein/Diddy rallies by the way

>>12314
A lot of them probably sat on their ass when it came to them, looking on the pages of people defending you see like zero feminist posts other than the Lindsay ones

Yeap. I’m not from the US; I’m following everything on social media, and most of the posts I see are from moids spouting bullshit about white women and using the women who defend Lindsay as a lame excuse to be misogynistic and disgusting. But it really does seem like, normie gals sometimes latch onto a woman who’s committed a serious crime just to shock society and defy the moids expectations, even if it’s in a completely negative way.

>>12307
The courts constantly release violent criminals because the alternative is to be mean to them. She would have been deemed too unstable for her safety or to the safety of the people around her and would have been released.

I don't give a fuck about this case, even if it's organic seems like all it does is contribute to the culture war and I'm really not deep diving into it because of the discourse around it. Like many other true crime trials that hit the news hard I'm going to admit the most controversial thing of all: I don't really care

At first I really believed she was psychotic but some things make me doubt it, she did not report hallucinations until after the crime, but then reported she'd actually been having them months. The sticker on her wheelchair is really fucking weird too.

Either way, it's very disheartening to see men use this as a way to bash women and spread false information about PPP and PPD.

I wouldn't say I support her in either case. I believe she does not deserve to be locked up for life in the case of genuine psychosis. But I think the women donating to her and making "me too" videos are creepy. I say this as a mom of a young baby. Its distasteful at the very least.

>>12276
This is false. She is allowed to walk free when deemed fit for release by psychiatrists. For many criminals who plead NGRI this means an equal to or longer sentence than prison. But Lindsay has been deemed fit for release since May of 2025. And Andrea Yates who killed 5 kids in 2001 is allowed to have release hearings and could potentially be free, but she denies them, preferring the hospital. Institutions are treatment centers not jails for crazy people.

Even Witchan is less spergy than Lolcow about this kek

>>12219
I don't follow the case, i think its another one of those cases blown up to make a circus out of an evil women. There are more men that committ mass shootings than we know what to do with, but for some reason they never get maid into a circus. Why is that???

Aside from that i could care less. Its a trillion miles away from me. I know it will never happen to me because ill never have kids but the whole media frenzy around it is suspcious.

>>12324
It's popular for three main reasons currently. For one thing it's more fuel to the ever popular rehabilitative vs retributive justice debate, true crime people really like living through this and there were a bunch of protests to free her and not send her to either jail or a mental hospital. It's been turned into a men's vs women's issue because dumbasses don't realize she has male fans and female haters

>>12323
>LC is mentally unwell
Thought this was about lolcow at first lol

women shouldnt be responsbile for what they do

>>12328
she needed to be separated from those children since nothing was helping.

>>12323
I agree the virality of this is suspicious. This case just sprunged out of obscurity even though it was like 3 years old.

Meanwhile, just a year after this case…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLtXBmBEpQ0
>Prosecutors say Matthew Schleier considered killing his children for weeks before strangling his…
>A Marion man found not guilty by reason of insanity for strangling his son to death will remain at a mental health institute, a judge has ruled.

>>12328
Unless he was working a very grueling job he should've been there for her imo. She's still a bad person though. Really they should've been given to the grandparents or something

I've noticed that anyone who's pretty much not retarded (qualified psychs and all) do admit she was psychotic or at least that there is not enough evidence to rule psychosis out.

The degrees to which they think the help she received was appropriate vary. Here's what a respectable shrink I've watched said. They hospitalized her multiple times but every single time she was released too early. Probably very related to the fact that America's mental health institutions are ass and mental asylums vanished due to deinstitutionalization, leading to a lot of loonies just roaming the streets instead of being taken care of. They have limited resources in that aspect.
Yeah, some say the psychiatrists did do everything by the book, but is the book right?

I actually wonder how the civil suit will turn out now. LC's supporters aren't exactly wrong or evil but honestly I think they really need to learn to watch out for optics.

No comment provided.

>>12339
He did enough.

He can't do everything for her. The amount of people I see that are clamoring for him to have gone through her search history and essentially babysit her are really dumb. Do you want every moid you date to violate your privacy and babysit you? Is that what you think should be the norm?

>>12221
Apparently maga is officially looking to repeal the 19th and they're rallying around this.

We really did it.

We had so many ways we could have protested proactively and instead we choose to throw tantrums and abuse our children on tiktok and instagram for views.

So if women do get their rights taken away and forced to have kids, does that mean more kids are gonna die?

Moids and conservatives are retarded

>>12350
"We"

>>12343
That entire jury was mentally ill, one of the dumbasses said that she "altruistically killed her kids" like the fuck
>>12350
The fact that this is the hill some other women are choosing to die on that's dooming the rest of us depresses me. America is really about to become the Middle East and for what? Some fad around some baby killer instead of something worthwhile like ending trafficking or trying to save young girls from pregnancy. A killing that left a young girl dead is apparently the most feminist action worth losing your rights to defend. This is why I hate TikTok

>>12353
Altruistic filicide/murder is an actual term, though I think that really does not require one to have psychosis.

>>12351
Restrictive abortion laws and forced birth practices are associated with higher infant mortality rates, so yes, more children would die. Males also become the predominant perpetrators of child homicide after infancy. They don't care about children, they want to control women. Evidenced by the fact that conservatives still push for more women to be impregnated and made to participate in early-life caregiving. Who would do that when they believe the same demographic are evil baby murderers? Hypocritic sex pests. It's somehow even more disgusting for them to pretend this is about kids and improving society when in truth it's only ever about their penises

>>12350
You can't argue for your rights with people who'd advocate for removing the female vote spurred on by these events, but would never say a word about removing the scrote vote due to their epidemic level of violence against women and children, even within their own homes. There's no amount of advocacy that'll convince scrotes in this era, where they are no longer entitled by culture to a wife and breeding rights, that women should be free. They serve themselves first and foremost. So while I'm concerned about this ridiculous and grim response from mentally ill women online, my immediate thought is not to worry what scrotes think, because the type of xy to see this and think "women should lose their rights" is not the sort to be convinced out of his mentality by our best behaviour, either.

>>12358
I'd generally agree but you have to keep in mind these people keep recruiting others into spouting misogynist propaganda by using ragebaiters and actual psyopped idiots on the other side. There are actual actors who use bots and manufactured drama in order to sow discord. Yes, there are some people who will always be shitheads, but the public opinion honestly matters way more than it may seem initially.

>>12360
I get it, the propaganda pushes these sexist sentiments onto people who'd otherwise not openly condone supporting or even expressing such extreme things. But really, who actually are these "people" that can be persuaded to revoke women's rights, or spread sexist propaganda, by a case that's a) clearly a pysop, and b) a tragedy, yet not lonely amongst a sea of schizos that slaughter their families due to psychotic breakdowns (cases that don't amount to revoking men's rights, fostering a culture of owning and controlling schizos, etc). It's males and literally/figuratively raped women, conservative religious types, the "public." People who despise women not only because of lindsay clancy, but because they were already primed to believe women are deserving of exploitation, neglect and punishment. People willing to tout slogans stripped of proper understanding. People who see the death of three innocent lives, a little girl included, with a medically failed mentally deranged mother murderer, and spin it into reels about "when women's feefees are hurty they think they can kill babies." The case itself is a psyop and it's working, but the people that gobble it all up left us doomed long before any of this started. These people can't treat this case with the sensitivity and nuance it deserves. Or they can, and are just purposefully evil to serve their own cause, their own benefit. Which is the majority. These males don't even have the "excuse" of experience with pregnancy, unlike these nutjob mothers online flocking around lindsay. These people were always going to be sexists, is what I'm saying, even if such a heinous crime wasn't there to push them further.
Their will to treat women decently is not being overpowered by real personal experience, mass epidemics of violence (infanticide is a rare outcome of postpartum psychosis), nor sincere concern for children (they keep whining about the reducing birth rates. Nothing if not hypocrites). They're giving into these notions because they lack the ability to understand women as nuanced human beings failed by medicine, society and motherhood altogether. Or, simply, they fail to accept that women can be bad people and that this does not undermine the feminist cause. A victim class does not need to be perfect.
Many things would've, and have already, set them off, but this case in particular provides these scrotes a righteous shield since it involves our most vulnerable members of society, and is, as I've already implied, really difficult to form a solid opinion on. It also allows people to shield their sexism behind impenetrable outrage. Little children, dead by their own mother's hands. It's sickening. I, to put it gently, hate clancy for what she did, not because of what she's caused but because she's a child killer. And inside these feelings misogynists find a home for their ideologies. But I won't turn into one, unlike the scrotes who'll "see no other option but to remove women's rights."
Basically, the public opinion cannot be defeated when it's this poisoned already. Her case isn't making things worse, it's revealing how many people are ready to take up this seemingly unchallengeable reason to foster a culture of spite, the "look how insane and deserving of control these people are", toward women & mothers. And with such glee.

>>12361
>But really, who actually are these "people" that can be persuaded to revoke women's rights, or spread sexist propaganda, by a case that's a) clearly a pysop, and b) a tragedy
Children with unsupervised internet access for instance.

And I really don't think the public opinion is as irreversibly poisoned as you say. PR management and propagandists would not have their jobs otherwise. Granted they have a lot more reach and resources than you and I.

And even if it were, is it worth adding even more bad optics and ammunition into it? I don't think so. Controlling public discourse is not limited to trying to change the evil chauvinist moids opinion, it's about making their point of views as unattractive as possible - which is exactly what sexist moids are using this case for effectively.

Most people's views are not set in stone, they do not really have any opinions, they just want to seem reasonable and agreeable. They say shit without thinking. Which is why I believe targeting public opinion/image is reasonable.

PS. Sorry for the awkwardly phrased sentences. I am ESL and I post ESL babble.

>>12368
>is it worth adding even more bad optics and ammunition into it?
i don't see how realistic it is to imagine that these cases won't occur, and that pregnant women and women in general won't feel a certain type of way about them and thus react how they did. the issue from this angle is not the act, but how purposefully blown up it all became, which is likely thanks to it being a psyop. it was a tragedy: and what about all the other cases where fathers axe out their families in cold blood? it doesn't get this coverage because the situation isn't entrenched within a whole load of pre-existing, sexually charged discrimination, and floating in a smog of campaigns considering whether women should really get to participate legally in society. for us it always has to be a matter of looking perfect collectively. a forced curse, and at worst a self imposed one too at times.
the public soaking this up and reaching the conclusion that women don't deserve rights is absurd, and like i said, reveals that there's no "good enough" behaviour regardless. moids are always looking for the way into despising women "justly." this case wasn't a clear cut act of premeditation, many question the husband, many have to debate the nature of mental health and responsibility when enduring a crisis. it's not "this is enough evidence to despise women altogether" territory, but people are acting like it is.
>controlling public discourse is not limited to trying to change the evil chauvinist moids opinion, it's about making their point of views as unattractive as possible - which is exactly what sexist moids are using this case for effectively
of course. still, what do you expect women at large to do about a mother entering psychosis, especially considering she was failed by medical professionals to an extent (they don't all agree on how it was handled, which is natural, but where there's smoke there's fire) and killing her children. it's not the feminist's fault, and extending sympathy to her isn't as outlandish as males deciding this is prime evidence for why women should have their vote revoked. their points are attractive when they neglect the nuance and accuse people of supporting baby killing. this is what i mean by "we were, and are, doomed." if this point of view is attractive (repealing the female vote) because of a murderer, but revoking men's rights has never been considered as a fair response to their criminals, what society are you looking at? what hope can you have of controlling the public discourse when people are so willing to drink up piece-meal outrage and start expressing shit like this?
as for people wanting to seem reasonable and agreeable, you are right and your entire post reminds me of some areas i didn't consider about public backlash, beliefs and what we collectively allow to go unchallenged. it's not always such a nefarious process, not intentionally, and that's where propogandists get to thrive. slogans breed through public ignorance and the desire to see the glaring issue first, which is rightfully the child death. she deserves prison. but again, i just bring myself back to the same focus: a society able to get to this point even partly has the favours stacked against women already, and doesn't want to let go of the opportunity it has to claim that we deserve to lose our rights.
we shouldn't add more bad optics/ammunition, but who is we. the people pushing this case the way they have? the internet personalities expressing their support, the women that show up around lindsay? the case itself? you can dismantle all of it with a couple claims that they were paid, actors, they were pushed by the algorithm as an exaggeration, they're mentally handicapped by their circumstances (sexist abuse), etc. but that's getting into wishful thinking and revoking the autonomy/culpability of her supporters. regardless, it's not the job of every woman on earth to feel responsible for this female criminal and to think she's "ruining our chances" of "looking good." why are our rights a matter of discussion? a little bit of a debate about whether the autonomous beings with wills of their own should really get a fair say in society, because hur dur, don't you see this case?
"but look at this criminal!" the scrote vote is not legally threatened because they don't take responsibility for male criminals. they're pressured by a few people to vaguely "do something" against rape culture, oh boohoo. but their rights? revoked? those have never been called into question by a governing body.
and again, i say it. they'll continue to moan about women not having kids with them, regardless. "you evil baby killer supporters, why won't you start a family with me?"

you phrased your sentences fine, it never crossed my mind that you were babbling or esl. you made points that were better than me, because i'm past the point of merely pessimistic, i'm imagining the worst of society. you're probably closer to the right attitude, and working to clean up "women's" "public image" is probably all we've got against this mess anyway. my points don't really land us anywhere other than "we're in a sexist hell", so

damn sorry for all that i don't have a word count on

>>12391
Goes for both sides. Lolcow, for example, has a lot of spergs about how it's actually good to murder kids as of late and a lot of people have decided to just rewrite history or go schizo about how actually the husband did it and it will be proven any day now

>>12395
it's interesting what you choose to focus on

>>12396
She mean that laws (so, rights) only exist if they are enforced by violence, which men are good at.

>>12395
Do you know how women got their rights in the first place?