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Radfem thread #2 Anonymous 181244
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>>150263Anonymous 181256
>>181244How do you think we can counteract plastic surgery as a culture. Although I blame individuals for getting surgery because they gave in, I more strongly blame society for convincing them that they needed to undergo a dangerous surgery to not hate themselves.
Anonymous 181319
>>181256It's a difficult situation because there's a misogynistic component on both ends of the spectrum, at least when moids do it.
With the pro plastic side It's pretty obvious but on the anti side there's scrotes who feel "lied" to by women who even choose to get minor things done like slight rynoplasties. (Friend of mind experienced this exact thing)
The only thing that really comes to mind is to get people to condemn commodity and commodification on a wider level.
Make people more anti-consumerist. That would certainly at least do a number on "bimbo" culture for lack of a better term
Anonymous 181392
>>181352
Makeup is temporary and a fashionability like clothing or hair styling.
Plastic surgery is permanent. There also are styles of makeup that are more socially condemned than others similarly to plastic surgery.
Anonymous 181430
>>181422
>they literally kill less animals and fuck the planet up less than you
The meat that every vegan would have eaten if they were not one still gets produced, packaged, etc. The only difference is instead of getting bought it just gets thrown out. We throw out enough food to feed 2 entire Californias every year.
Supply is not strictly based off of demand it's about growth in scale as well so vegans effectively change nothing by just becoming vegans their own self. And all forms of large scale farming are bad for the environment anyway Thanks to things a lot of farmers do like liquefy manure to fertilize their fields.
It's no different than driving an EV in a 99% coal based power grid.
Anonymous 181532
>>181352
I'm critical of both, but I hold less disgust for make up. Taking the step of going under anesthesia and having an elective surgery seems so much more horrifying even though make up is so much more prominent in our culture.
>The meat that every vegan would have eaten if they were not one still gets produced, packaged, etc.
The basic laws of supply and demand refute this, let alone my experience in animal agriculture. When demand drops, there may be a two to four year lag because of how raising meat animals works, but we definitely reduce the number of animals raised if demand remains low. Otherwise prices drop and it becomes less profitable as you're raising more animals for less money. Crops are different, because the government pays you almost no matter what, but meat follows demand.
Anonymous 181854
>>181487>>181532I looked it up just to be completely sure and the only thing I was wrong about is that consumers are responsible for most of the meat waste in America.
However grocery stores and restaurants still throw away 4% of their inventory nationwide every year.
With a population of less than 1% vegan, that is a pretty damning confirmation that they do in fact throw out the meat vegans would have eaten.
Anonymous 181917
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>Your entire post was premised on the idea that reducing demand for meat/dairy wouldn't impact the supply of meat/dairy.
That was not the premise of my original post. The premise of my original post is that current vegans leave no impact.
I am not so delusional to believe that if we got like 50% of the population to stop eating meat in this country it would lead to no decline in the industry but there are a lot of other factors, and also, vegans are sure as shit, never going to be effective enough at getting people to stop.
>Your newer post would be relevant only if meat waste increased as a result of lower demand to such an extent that the supply of meat was unaffected.
You mean the point I am not trying to prove that you just burdened me with out of nowhere? Sure.
>I thought b12 from meat and dairy was supposed to make you not retarded?
I had no such illusions about vegan diets promoting intelligence, so nothing about your post surprises me.
Anonymous 181932
>all these people defending makeup
makeup isn't good for you. it's bad for your skin, its got this nasty chemically smell I don't know how people stand it, it doesn't feel good on your face it's like this waxy/pastey awfulness, its bad in the summer or if you go to the gym when you sweat, its bad in humid environments, it's one more thing added on to make your morning longer, and last - but certainly not least - it's expensive
by all means you do you, but I can't stand it. yes I'm aware there are "better" versions of some makeup out there that answer some of my concerns, but no thank you. chuck that stuff you'll be happier for it.
Anonymous 182199
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>People will lie to themselves to engage in immoral practices.>Uh no, I belive supply & demand doesn't aply to meat :^)Pretty funny how you just proved the point by trying to argue agaisn't it with your delusional logic.
Anonymous 182205
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>>181256Why would you want to? Plastic surgery and body augmentations are the way of the future! Can you imagine a world where everyone is hot and for once we can just rely on our personalities to get a date?
Anonymous 182225
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>>182205This assumes that one, that anyone is able to become hot through plastic surgery. Yet it's widely known and mocked when people get too much plastic surgery because they look uncanny. Two, being hot is an ever changing objective. What men consider hot today is not what they considered hot thirty years ago. So you would continuously keep having to get surgery to keep up with the trends. Three, it is unlikely that the price of plastic surgery would decrease enough that everyone is able to afford the multiple surgeries. Even cars, which are an absolute necessity for working people and which our entire culture are built around, are not affordable to everyone. So there will never be a time when every single person can afford plastic surgery. And four, when everyone is beautiful, no one will be. Beauty must be different from the average in order to be considered special.
>pic related: pictures of people with plastic surgery Anonymous 182254
>>182205Body augmentations are only good in a world without capitalism. Already, some people who have fake eyes have had them turned off because the company that made their software went bankrupt and there are no more updates. So they're just consigned to being blind again.
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>>182225They can. The reason that a lot of other women end up looking completely fucked up from PS is because they either get addicted to it or end up with botched surgery. Just google "korean before and after plastic surgery"
It's sort of like with other women make up. Pretty much every single girl wears it for a reason. It's because it makes us look better and more attractive in the eyes of guys (and other women.)
And I'm not talking your "Natural skin" I mean with zero make up. (I can spot it from a mile away!)
>Hot is subjective Hot varies in degrees and from person to person, but there is a pretty universal standard which is to just not be ugly.
>>182254A world without capitalism and body augmentations do not mix.
Anonymous 182285
>>182283
>I'm a feminist which is why I call women cunts
Anonymous 182297
>>182199You have the reading comprehension of a lesser simian.
Anonymous 182355
>>182266>A world without capitalism and body augmentations do not mix.A prosthetic leg is a body augmentation, so they would still exist in a just world.
Anonymous 182359
>>182297That's most people online at this point.
Anonymous 182379
>>181244Thanks for the thread op, whoever makes the next one could you copy paste the basics in the first one I think it'd be good to have for women who just stumbled across the thread and are being introduced to radical feminism.
Anonymous 182385
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>>182379Definitely noted. I figured if someone on was crystal cafe, they knew what rad feminism is, especially if they're posting in the radfem thread, but I see now I was mistaken. That's okay though, everyone is ignorant of something until they are taught.
Anonymous 182697
if i hear one more man say cunt and then insist it isn't a slur i'm gonna shit myself
Anonymous 182698
>>182697Slurs are a particular kind of obscenity, using swear words to describe genitals is not the same as using sluts.
Anonymous 182707
>>182698You should absolutely never tolerate being called a "cunt" by a moid but tbh this.
Anonymous 182720
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>>182697"Ma'am, that's my emotional support slur!"
Anonymous 182732
>>182698just realized i accidentally said "sluts" lol
Anonymous 182733
>>182720The one word answer chad meme doesn't really work when it's a completely abstract position, you're literally just telling us you think your opinion is cool. It works with things that have some skin in the game like "Are you really just going to go out every weekend and run over homeless people with a Ford F150 even though they didn't do anything to you personally???" "Yes."
Anonymous 182734
>>182707If a moid calls me a bitch or a cunt what is the difference?
Is there some sliding scale of respect? Or is it a binary.
Anonymous 182770
>>181422
>they literally kill less animals
nothing morally righteous about that
>and fuck the planet up less than you
it's not that simple
Anonymous 182771
>>182733not everyone finds absurdist humour funny, or notices it even necessarily
what some see is you(silly) = wrong, me(based) right
Anonymous 182784
Does anyone have statistics about the effectiveness of the Nordic Model vs. completely legalised prostitution? Does it actually help?
Anonymous 182798
>>182733If women have already explained in precise language why cunt is a slur and the man either refuses to look it up or ignores them, it is not my job to hold their hand and re-explain it countless times until he figures it out. I would just as succinctly dismiss the same man who threw a fit about not being allowed to use the term wetback or moon cricket.
Anonymous 182800
>>182734Although I personally recognize some words as worse than others based on how offended I would be if someone called me them, I would more label slurs as binary, either they are or they aren't.
I read an interesting essay on tracking the word for girl across different languages. In the six or seven languages noted, they had all had to change the polite word for girl to another term recently (within living memory), because the word for girl would be used as slang first for an adult woman, then as slang for a prostitute or female genitalia. The essay also noted that the author had found no examples of this happening to the word boy.
Anonymous 182805
Does anyone have ideas on how to connect with radfems IRL?
Anonymous 182807
>>182805Aask on Ovrit? They seem to mean serious biz.
Anonymous 182808
>>182804Afaik they actually found decriminalisation and the Nordic model actually increased human trafficking to those countries
Anonymous 182811
>>182804I just don't think there is any good reason not to ban both sides of prostitution if you're going to ban it at all. Places like Sweden can be trusted not to needlessly harass prostitutes when enforcing these laws, but it's a tool they need to have handy. Sometimes arresting someone is a way to protect them, get them off the street and force them to receive help instead of hoping they just randomly come to their senses.
Anonymous 183199
>>182808Decriminalization and Nordic model are two opposite things though, do you mean to say that they both increase trafficking and harm?
Anonymous 183279
TERF thread deleted again, what the fuck is going on?
Anonymous 183286
>>183279I dunno, but I worry something's going on with the jannies.
Anonymous 183289
>>183279Most likely troon sabotage. I made a new one
>>183288 Anonymous 183339
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>>183286Yeah, it's like the janitors are using the clean up as an excuse to get rid of the terf meme thread. But the terf thread is literally the most popular thread on this entire site, we're going to immediately notice when it goes missing.
Anonymous 183561
>>182733The one word answer Chad meme is never funny at all.
Anonymous 183573
>>182798If you've already explained to somehow how mean they are and they're still doing it, they're the one acting like the chad meme, not you. You're getting boned.
Anonymous 183574
>>182771I try to ignore it because it really pisses me off, removes the soul of this stuff. I got in this long argument with this one zoomer online when they told me that I was "out of the loop" (or some such cringe) and didn't know what 'based' meant because I was explaining how it is a fundamentally neutral term that could be defined as "self-assured; acts with disregard to the concerns of others" (and I gave examples) and they thought that they were so cool for knowing the supposed real truth that it just means "agree"
I guess what I'm really pissed about is people who have 30 seconds worth of knowledge thinking they know everything and refusing to ever concede to someone who obviously knows way more about a topic, but that's a little much to take on right now.
Anonymous 183576
>>183573How is them flying into a rage and typing paragraph after paragraph about how cunt is not a slur them being Chad? It didn't happen in this conversation in this thread, but I watched it happen on Tumblr and men just throw screaming fits over it. Men want to use slurs, and they will throw tantrums when you tell them that slurs are inappropriate.
Anonymous 183579
>>183576There's at least a case to be made, I just made it. Also, their walls of text are in support of a controversial opinion, you're just telling them not to be rude and then venting about it here when they continue. There is no chad element whatsoever.
Anonymous 183580
>>183576Also it needs to be acknowledged that they actually have a point, "cunt" legitimately has a different use in the UK and Australia. The literal meaning is the same but the context is different, and all of these things rely on context. I notice you're not raging about how people use "pussy" as an insult, even though it refers to the exact same thing. That's because American culture doesn't see it as a big deal so you don't either, and it's the same for Brits and "cunt". Also you're obvious not up in arms about penis-based obscenities.
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>>183580>I notice you're not raging about how people use "pussy" as an insult, even though it refers to the exact same thing.It's because you know nothing about me. Pussy should not be used as an insult either. Even though it's from the word pusillanimous and not descended from the word for cat.
Anonymous 183648
>>183580>Also you're obvious not up in arms about penis-based obscenities.Men can figure their own shit out. I fight for women's liberation, not men's feelings.
Anonymous 183652
>>183580>"cunt" legitimately has a different use in the UK and AustraliaYeah, in parts of the UK/Ireland/Australia/NZ "cunt" is thrown around pretty indiscriminately. I mean, it's basically used as a substitute word for "person".
>You're a good cunt.Read: You're a good person
>She's a mad cunt.Read: She's silly.
>He's a pure cunt.Read: He's contemptible.
I do think people should be careful how they word things online, but it is quite funny to see yanks being really offended by it. "Fanny" was probably the more obscene word when I was growing up, maybe slightly worse than calling someone a "dick".
Anonymous 183712
>>183652>Fanny" was probably the more obscene word than dickDoesn't that prove the slur point though? That the worst taboo words used to denigrate people are always related to women and female genitalia. That our very existence is considered impure and lesser and so is used as an insult?
Even if using that slur is part of someone's culture, it's still a sexist culture and should be fought against. Not letting women vote was part of most of the world's culture, does that mean you'll argue for that too?
>>183708Shut up Blaine. You will never be a woman and your mother is more woman than you could ever hope to be, even in your wildest dreams.
Anonymous 183739
>>183647It's pretty clear that you see it as much less of a big deal, because you get that the context is different. In America "pussy" is just sexist in terms of what it actually means and people are just using it interchangeably with "coward", whereas "cunt" can be used intentionally to be sexist. In the UK, neither is largely meant to be sexist.
>>183712It's just kind of silly to demand that four other countries with different dialects of your language change this substantial part of how they communicate just because it is upsetting in a purely American context. I completely get telling them not to when they're visiting here or something, but that doesn't seem to be the point.
I don't mean this literal 1:1 comparison at all but it can illustrate what I'm talking about: In Spanish when someone types "negro", they mean the color black. In American english, it is an insulting term for people of African descent. We would of course not tolerate a Spanish-speaking person random "switching languages" mid sentence or some shit just as an excuse to drop it as a totally-not-slur, but in their home country it legitimately has a different use and attempts by outsiders to prevent its use (indeed, there have been some) don't work at all, and are actually quite intolerant.
Anonymous 183741
>>183712Also, I'm not trying to be super pedantic here but this should be talked about: the basic use of "slur" is a literal slurring of words. "Nigger" is a slur because it is a sloppy pronunciation of "negro" (at a time when negro was not considered to be inherently offensive), and it became the disrespectful way to say negro. It's debatable whether referring to something by a different word that is pronounced correctly (i.e., cunt instead of woman). A pure slur for women would be like "wumbens" or some shit.
Basically, you might have a better time if you just talk about whether a word is offensive, than specifically trying to show that a word is a slur.
Anonymous 183745
Just because a lot of people do it doesn't mean it's okay. Jesus what are you all even doing in the radfem thread if you want to defend the vile shit men call women. Bitch is okay because it's used by gay men in a friendly way right?
Anonymous 183746
>>183745Literally, yes. Words don't have inherent meanings, it is all about context.
Anonymous 183748
>>at a time when negro was not considered to be inherently offensiveIt's still not. It is literally the Spanish word for "black". There's even a cake called Negra and a Mexican sweet called "Negrito". Neither of which is meant to be racist. This is just the U.S. using it's own historical context of one word against to apply it to all of the rest of the world, because they think they are the center of the world.
>>183746This. Me and my friends called eachother niggerfaggots as an inside joke, back in high school. One of those people was even a black guy. And none of us were straight.
Anonymous 183749
>>183746what the fuck are you talking about nona?? words absolutely do have inherent meanings T-T
like, "book" only ever means book. it doesnt mean anything else. names are different, like "bitch" can be a dog or a woman, that stuff depends on context. but words as a whole do have natural meaning
Anonymous 183750
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>>183741>the basic use of "slur" is a literal slurring of words.Not to take the thread too off topic, but that is not how the word slur is used and you know it. Otherwise the entire Australian dialect is a slur and should be forbidden.
>>183746Literal coombrained mindrot.
Anonymous 183753
>>183748I literally made a post addressing that right above (and I also made the one you separately agreed with lol). But in America, when you are describing a person in the english language, it is considered offensive.
>>183749Lol even when desperately looking for some example that works to make your point, you failed. "Book" can mean "run" (i.e. "I'm about to book it to the library to grab a book"), as well as many other boring things such as 'a book of matches'. That's before getting into what it means in other languages, or what it might mean 50 years from now in english.
Anonymous 183754
>>183750It's always amazing how easily people will ignore any attempts to water down what you say before you say it and instead pretend you're saying something really extreme so they can pretend you're unreasonable
>I'm not trying to be super pedantic here >It's debatable>Basically, you might have a better time if you just talk about whether a word is offensiveYeah I know that "slur" has a broad and narrow definition, but there's still a conversation to be had about where it should end. I think that bodily swear words are completely different from rude names for ethnic groups, and trying to use "slur" in that context undermines its value as a word, when others are available.
> Otherwise the entire Australian dialect is a slur and should be forbidden.and this is just a silly statement from top to bottom
Anonymous 183767
>>183712>>Fanny" was probably the more obscene word than dick>Doesn't that prove the slur point though?No, a slur is "a derogatory or insulting term applied to particular group of people". "Cunt" is applied equally to both men and women where I live, and it isn't considered a sexist insult. I understand that elsewhere it's used as a slur, but not where I live.
>That the worst taboo words used to denigrate people are always related to women and female genitalia.This is a different point altogether. Whether or not "cunt" is the most dirty word in the English language doesn't affect whether or not it's a slur.
>Not letting women vote was part of most of the world's culture, does that mean you'll argue for that too?I don't think I'm arguing for anything, I'm just remarking that it's funny to me, as someone for whom that word has never really held the same weight.
>>183753> "Book" can mean "run" (i.e. "I'm about to book it to the library to grab a book"), as well as many other boring things such as 'a book of matches'.This is a nice example. Another is "gay", which was in frequent usage yet had nothing to do with homosexuality prior to the 20th century. Not only does it have multiple meanings, its meanings have completely changed over time.
I think the important thing is the intent behind someone's words, rather than the particular words themselves. Every man in the world could stop using "cunt" (in the slur sense of the word) tomorrow and they'd just replace it with "twat" or "bitch" or "hole". The word is just a sound coming out of their mouths. The same sentiment would still exist in their heads.
Anonymous 183768
>>183767>Every man in the world could stop using "cunt" (in the slur sense of the word) tomorrow and they'd just replace it with "twat" or "bitch" or "hole". The word is just a sound coming out of their mouthsExactly, or even just take a completely neutral or even positive term and make it derogatory. It's not even hard to turn words like "woman" into angry terms: "You fucking woman!", "You WOMAN!"
Pretty much all of this comes down to intent and perceived intent, the idea that words have magic power independent of their usage and reception is just a nerdy fantasy.
Anonymous 183836
>>183754>I think that bodily swear words are completely different from rude names for ethnic groupsI think you think this because all our lives, we have been taught to put women second. So you think that slurs that offend ethnic groups are worse than slurs that offend women, because you don't consider the oppression that women face to be as real or as bad as ethnic oppression.
Anonymous 183838
>>183767>Cunt" is applied equally to both men and women where I live, and it isn't considered a sexist insultWhile I would agree that cunt had less sexist connotations in parts of the world, it being used for men and women both doesn't mean it's not sexist. For example, in America, people will use nigger a general swear (such as shouting it when they stub their toe or a car part breaks), as well as call stealing white people it. Based on your logic, because it is not just used for black people, does this mean nigger is not racist? Because I do not think that it does. I think it remains a slur with racist origins, even when used on white people.
Anonymous 183975
>>183910
>WE CALLED EACHOTHER NIGGERFAGGOT
>cringe
>DO YOU HAVE ANY PEER REVIEWED STUDIES TO PROVE THAT?!
cringe
Anonymous 183976
>>182285you can dislike some people who happen to be women without hating women as a whole and while still wanting the destruction of the patriarchy
being a feminist doesnt mean you love all women it means you want to dismantle the patriarchy and patriarchal ideals. pickmes are enforcing the patriarchy, that which feminists despise. so why is it wrong to call a pickme a cunt? just because she's a woman? women can be bad people too
Anonymous 183978
>>183811There, there. If you want, I'll call you niggerfaggot too.
Anonymous 183979
>>183976>so why is it wrong to call a pickme a cunt?Because you are using an insult that deliberately denigrates the female sex. Calling them pickmes or handmaidens describes what they are, but calling them a cunt reinforces that female genitalia is an undesirable or shameful thing to be.
Anonymous 183984
Why is it that you can't step five feet in one fandom without rabid gendies festering there? Like in even the most "innocent" of fandoms like with Sanrio?
You'd be liking someone's posts about "Fluffy Kittens Daily" and then OP would make a post like "repost if you want to dismember terfs and rape them with glass"
Fandom would be at your throat if something you said sounded slightly "ableist against neurodivergents" or makes them "uncomfy because its their comfort media" but then spout the most vile shit imaginable about murdering/beating up women who believe things that don't validate them
Anonymous 184060
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This is a level of self hatred so deep there's probably no cure. I'm sorry you hate you period so much that you hate being a woman. I hate the pain and mess of my period too, but when I get a sinus infection I don't fantasize about chopping my nose off and go around calling people beaks as an insult.
Anonymous 184201
>>183838>because it is not just used for black people, does this mean nigger is not racist? Because I do not think that it does. I think it remains a slur with racist origins, even when used on white people.I'd agree with this. But "cunt" doesn't designate any particular type of person where I live. I could overhear someone saying "I hate those cunts" and genuinely have no clue whether or not they were referring to a group of males, a group of females, or a mixed sex group of people. That sentence is functionally equivalent to "I hate those dickheads". But the same probably wouldn't be true if I overheard someone saying "I hate those niggers" or "I hate those pakis".
Anonymous 184212
>>184210
Once in a lifetime inspiration ✨️
Anonymous 184230
>>184210
I wish I could save her from prison.
Anonymous 184237
>>184210
I hope she won't go to prison
Anonymous 184296
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>>184274
>without prompting
Lol, what a cope by the male researchers.
Anonymous 184304
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>>184296Yeah psych studies are crazy.
>When men are better at a certain task: oh yes, neuroanatomical dissimilarities, women are inferior
>When women are better at a certain taskthis can't be, this is an outlier, we need to do more statistics until we prove that men are superior.
Anonymous 184333
Now that incels are pretty much unavoidable on every mainstream social media platform, is anyone else just in a constant state of disbelief over their complaints? I wish my problems with dating and the opposite gender were as puerile as
>I would have to put in effort if I wanted to get laid
>some men I don't know have tattoos and dress in a way I don't like
>this 10/10 model moid is dating a young attractive woman with large breasts and not me
Anonymous 184376
>>184333My online circle does not include many incels so it's just the constant "Women are bad and inferior in every way" across every platform that I see. I do hear that entitlement to a girlfriend has gotten worse in the younger generations.
I feel bad for anyone under twenty five who's dating men. The boundaries that society say are acceptable have gotten out of control. Apparently men won't even hide their porn folders or masturbation habits and they won't even ask permission before trying something like choking in the bedroom. That's absolutely crazy to me and my friends. To put that in perspective from someone who is older,
one time I was having sex with my boyfriend doggy style and he spit on my back. I was so furious that he would degrade me like that that I immediately turned around and slapped him. He was apologetic for weeks afterwards and never did anything in the bedroom without consent again. Of course he didn't argue or try to explain, he knew that he had treated me as an object instead of a lover.Especially if you're young, I warn against one night stands. The average man is stronger than the average woman and can easily hurt you. So when you put yourself in such a vulnerable position as sex, you should trust him completely and know that he will always stop if you say stop or your body language is reluctant.
Anonymous 184422
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Hold on, isn't she just another one of those animu waifus who look all controlling and domineering but in the end secretly want to be a submissive tradwife?
And try to """manipulate""" men by letting them stick their dick in her? At least that's the impression I get from her wiki page, correct me if I'm wrong.
Anonymous 184515
JK Rowling created a new single-sex shelter for women who are victims/at risk of sexual violence.
She's funding it completely herself, so it doesn't adhere to charity laws (ie it's really for women only).
https://beirasplace.org.ukAnonymous 186348
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what the fuck is this? men need to be put down
Anonymous 186354
>>184422No. Denji wants to do sexual things with her but ultimately when he's given the chance he decides he would rather be her dog and let her take control of his life.
Anonymous 186364
>>184422I don't read the manga but in a recent episode she ordered and then sacrificed a bunch of (male) convicts to use her devil powers thing with 0 hesitation or remorse. That's pretty unusual, anime is like marvel shit where even the baddest of bad guys don't get killed, so it was pretty cool to see her kill bad men without giving a shit.
Anonymous 203311
Has anyone you ever knew gotten married as a child? My grandmothers got married at nineteen and seventeen, and a couple of girls in my class got married right out of high school, but I've not known anyone younger than that.
Anonymous 204329
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Testicular torsion. Except the implication is that she's doing a spell to make it happen.
Anonymous 206731
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Why are blatant misogynists so fond of calling themselves radfems? Is it worth having a bigger tent or should we tell conservatives to fuck off and fight troons on their own terms?
Anonymous 206733
>>206731they aren't on our side and we don't need to pretend they are. feminism is diluted enough without misogynists saying they would happily let a young woman die whose biggest crime is being outspoken.
Anonymous 207187
>>207136
I am a woman, you dolt, being a woman doesn't automatically turn one into a brainless lefty spook.
Anonymous 207192
>>207187What state are you from? Also, most positions held by radfems, which is the thread you are in, are considered leftist. Being pro birth control and abortion, encouraging out of home careers (to prevent financial abuse), being in charge of our own finances, and being against child marriage. However, being anti prostitution and against most sex work is usually a right wing thing which is why most of us are politically homeless.
Anonymous 207193
>>207192Being in charge of finances and preventing financial abuse should be the rightoid opinion, right? And I don't think all leftoids proactively support prostitution and "sex work" right? Is that not a fringe opinion of younger leftoids? Or are you saying rightoids claim it more. Because I really hope prostitution doesn't get legalized even though OnlyFans is basically a loophole.
Anonymous 207194
>>207193I will clarify that I'm American, so I use left as liberal and right as conservative interchangeably.
A woman being in charge of her own finances is a left position, right prefers the man to either be in charge of all finances, or else the woman do the work of the book keeping but the man have the final say over all expenses.
Sex work has become a very leftist view. You'll see older leftist politicians who are against it, but they're the rarity. Nowadays, out of people I know in real life, all liberals under 45 believe that all forms of sex work should be completely legal.
Anonymous 207199
>>207192I am not American. Being pro abortion is not a left wing thing where I'm from, it's just a given. Greta, however, is a hack and I am allowed to say kt.
Anonymous 207246
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>be me
>go on twitch
>click on a random female streamer's livestream
>she's with an old man
>dread
>"this is my dad"
>oh ok, phew
>she starts talking about being in porn
>her dad starts talking about his cock
>mfw
Anonymous 207257
>>207246Any father who is comfortable talking about their penis or porn habits around their children is an incest loving pedo and you can't convince me otherwise. It just feels like grooming your kid to erode the proper boundaries between father and child. Starts off getting you comfortable with sexually charged conversations to eventually lead into sexually charged actions. I bet you he watches his daughter's porn, she probably knows it too and copes by claiming he's "supporting her career".
Anonymous 207273
>>207246This is so wrong. So I would view this as a subset of incest, and as we see with the porn categories of incest being insanely popular, and House of Dragons making an entire series about incest, incest is becoming more normalized.
I'm starting to see push back against it. Many men on the HoD subreddit were complaining about how gross the constant incest is, as well as I'm seeing men on Twitter complaining about how incest as so overtaken porn that it's hard to avoid it when searching for videos. But now that there's some push back, how do we capitalize on that and push back further?
Anonymous 207320
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>>207273We need new obscenity laws than ban depictions of crass sexualization and degrading of women, ban depictions of incest, ban depictions of troons and homosexuals, and ban depictions of moids committing acts of violence
Anonymous 207324
>>207320You sound like you live in a hyper sheltered fantasy land. Not that I don't disagree with some of it but that would never happen. Learning how to open a portal to heaven sounds easier than ripping porn and violence from coomers.
How can you exist without revealing how completely neurotic you are everywhere you go
Like how can you go outside without betraying your rage at everything
I'm similar in a way but you have to chose what's worth worrying about or you will go completely mad. What you're describing just sounds futile to me kek :v
Anonymous 207325
>>207320>We need new obscenity laws than ban depictions of crass sexualizationThat's a lofty but admirable goal
>and degrading of women,Hell yeah
>ban depictions of incest,Absolutely!
>ban depictions of troonsLike, any depictions at all? You can't even write a story about a cross dresser?
>and homosexuals, Honey, this is crystal cafe. Half of us are autistic, and half of those are lesbians. We're not going to ban any media depictions of ourselves.
>and ban depictions of moids committing acts of violenceAre you just talking about pornography, or are you saying that depictions will be obscene enough to be forbidden under these laws?
Anonymous 207327
>>207325Homosexual men deserve chemical castration
Anonymous 207328
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>>207324I don't get out much recently, my siblings stopped talking to me for repeatedly calling my cousin's man-in-a-dress boyfriend a man and they were my primary social circle
>>207325Yes it should be illegal to talk about trannies in any circumstance outside of medical (exploring therapy or meds to make them normal). Trannies groom others by just making others aware of their existence and what their delusions entail. It's the only way to keep the next generation safe
I'm gay too but I dont flaunt it in front of kids. Stop grooming
I'm talking about all forms of violence. It drives me nuts that people will hand a 6 year old boy a Mario game that trains you to solve problems with violence and acts like it's not a problem
Anonymous 207405
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Has anyone mentioned Laetita Ky? She's an African radfem that was dragged through the mud multiple times for being gendercritical. I love her and her artworks and how she actually stands her ground when accused of "transphobia" unlike many other 'feminist' handmaidens. The things people said about her after they found out she supported JKR and called said women instead of 'menstruators' and etc etc is fucking insane
Anonymous 207409
>>207405Her and Chimamanda have said a lot of straight forward things and I feel comfortable redirecting friends to either. I wish Chimamanda would write or speak more about this topic but I also understand why she doesn’t.
Anonymous 207418
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>>207328>It drives me nuts that people will hand a 6 year old boy a Mario game that trains you to solve problems with violence and acts like it's not a problemkek
Anonymous 207438
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>>207418NTA but this is the same show where people throw shoes and beat the shit out of eachother by the way. I don't think they're ones to be moralfagging about violence in video games.
Anonymous 207450
>>207438But children aren't meant to be watching the show
Anonymous 207454
>>207450Um, I don't think children are meant to be playing most "violent" video games either. That's why we have age-ratings. Although even those are often bullshit, because they still get exposed to some kind of form of shit like someone hitting someone, yelling, or etc. regardless. In that light, Memri TV is a whole news channel so kids are likely still getting exposed to it regardless. I don't want my fun to be taken away from video games only because a bunch of moral crusaders want to use it to ineffectively protect a sociopathic minority of children (Who would likely go on to try and shoot up a school whether they got exposed to said video games or not, anyway) This is a Karen-tier nothingburger.
Anonymous 207485
>>207454The ratings are so fucking trash it's unbelievable. Everything that isn't for babies gets a T rating and doesn't go to M unless it's much more bloody violent or pornified (but I've seen less violent and sexual games be put there vs T) so the moment the kid is 13 (if the parents follow the guidelines) they get exposed to everything. Zelda gets the same rating as more violent games like Uncharted because cartoon violence and shooting violence are treated the same unless there's swearing (sometimes) and a gorefest. Uncharted has shooting with blood, booze, and swearing. It's like how recent Pixar movies and fucking Michael Bay's transformers can both be pg13.
Any mildly "edgy" or "hood" game will end up having multiple big breasted women in bras and things so if your kid likes basketball they're going to see casual groupies. Your 13 year old kid can play Batman Arkham games with Batman explicitly not killing anyone (they're just "knocked out") but with dark themes, Zelda cartoon fantasy on par with Pixar, one of the Call of Duty games with all the shooting, Uncharted, Bayonetta which is essentially soft core porn, mindless zombie games, or Syberia a point and click mystery with mature themes but no real violent visuals. It's a mess. I think they should do away with the age rating and instead just list the mature parts of it, and include female nudity as a thing FFS. 13 year old boys don't need any help rotting their brains with porn.
Anonymous 207559
>>184376The problem arises from our modern society, people can not handle the availability of options etc. being able to look at thousands of people online completely fucked our perception of relationships. its not just between women and men its between people in general. people need to do such a minimum today and have soo many options, yet they often dont take any. creating a feeling of unhappiness without a clear problem that needs to be fixed, this creates radical feminism and is what promoted males to be so misbehaved, they had all the choices for such a long time free to take, now they dont, they cant handle it, they dont know what to do, so they use what they have, primal violence is just one example.
Anonymous 207581
whats so upsetting about the scientific reality of climate change to some people, i dont get it
Anonymous 207582
>>207581and like assuming it isnt real or whatever whats the problem in greener choices anyways, 'noo i dont want to breathe clean air' like ? what
Anonymous 207590
>>207581It's not climate change in itself, it's the fact that it's a ploy to sabotage western countries when we're the only ones who give a fuck about the environment anyway.
Anonymous 207604
>>207590This. I’m a huge environmentalist bleeding heart, and even I recognize this.
Anonymous 207623
>>207590Fr you guys have no idea of the environmental atrocities that are happening in the clandestine gold mining industry and Coral Reef destruction in my 3rd world country. And it's all being done by the government.
Anonymous 207658
>>207590But if that's the reason people are upset, why do those same men deny climate change? They won't say "Climate change is real but too much of the burden is placed on us." instead they say "Because snowballs exist, climate change is completely fake."
Anonymous 207727
>>207658People who actually know what they're talking about don't deny climate change, that's a strawman used to shut down criticisms of wealth redistribution efforts taken under the guise of rectifying climate change. The actual argument, among those who work in the field, isn't if climate change is real or not, it's if 50% or more of it is caused by human activity. Politicians have dumbed things down for the masses and cannot concede even the smallest bit, they gain nothing from telling the complicated and messy truth.
Anonymous 207845
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>>207590 >>207604If either of you cared you would be aware that first world countries contributed most to the environmental problems. It’s always the biggest problem with climate politics, why should emerging countries share the blame equally to the oh so developed and enlightened countries when they’re the ones responsible for this. Should emerging countries and low income countries just do nothing and not develop as developed countries continue to dump their toxic waste and trash in the poorer and politically weaker countries?
Anonymous 207935
>>207845Lmao single countries like China and India releasing outrageous amounts of CO2 only for it to be put in some faggy woke graph next to 28 European countries aggregated and
a whole continent.
Anonymous 207965
>>207676
Nona, you can look up the raw data of carbon output from volcanos now and from roughly the last century, as well as the raw data of carbon output by country. So yeah, don't believe everything you read on the internet and look up the facts yourself.
Anonymous 207966
>>207845>Should emerging countries and low income countries just do nothing and not develop as developed countriesYes. Sorry you missed the boat, but the world literally cannot handle the amount of pollution that would be created by undeveloped nations taking the same route as industrialized nations.
Anonymous 207976
>>207966This, or at least shut up about it as long as you keep dumping literal shit, corpses and tons of chemicals and plastic into your rivers while westerners are terrorized into drinking from paper straws.
Anonymous 208029
>>207935did you actually read the graph or just look at the big and small shapes
Anonymous 208030
>>207966>>207976Congratulations you fail to understand why climate politics always comes to a gridlock!
Also you’re an idiot if you think people from emerging countries are threatening privileged westerners into using paper straws.
Anonymous 208031
>>208030>Also you’re an idiot if you think people from emerging countriesI don't. Someone is doing it, but it comes from within.
Anonymous 208033
>>208029I read it, which is why I understand what it means despite the misleading grouping and hilariously bad layout.
Anonymous 208040
>>207966This. The U.S. started wising the fuck up in the 70's with regards to pollution and recycling. Meanwhile China was opening up to the west, and has gone unregulated and unchallenged for decades. Don't even get me started on India and southeast Asia.
Anonymous 208046
>>208043nah tbh the future is the nightmare of the incel, it will be a completely "looksmaxxing" (how incels say it) society like south korea, south korea is reflecting the future in many ways culturally.
Anonymous 208050
>>184333I wonder if a lot of women will just abandon the internet because it's not normal or healthy to constantly see the toxic thoughts of men from around the world. For example I used to spend a lot of time browsing youtube but I barely go on there now because I don't feel comfortable with redpill videos on there.
Anonymous 208051
>>208040>>207976>>208040>if you live in a poor nation just stay poor forever while us westerners can live a cush life lmaoAlso, if you're already blaming developing nations as part of the global climate and environmental problems then you have no idea what you're talking about and why we got into this mess in the first place.
Anonymous 208052
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>>208046I think we'll have something more of a Transmetropolitan world, with several beauty canons around and several subcultures. Of course, each will work on the basis that your body is imperfect and you should better it according to the latest fad, and it will be hellish.
Anonymous 208233
>>182811new zealand decriminalised prostitution and it has done only good for the women involved. free std tests, condoms, contraceptive, police assistance where needed and obviously abortion is legal and easy to access too. they have to operate out of a registered house/brothel which also aids in their safety and less exploitation. you do not see them on the streets here or getting into random cars. I think it is unfortunate that moids in other countries ruin it for many women worldwide
Anonymous 208234
>>208050this is the most weak statement i've ever heard in my life. its like saying oh i don't want to read books from the library because there are books about serial killers there….
youtube has algorithims, you can change it at your own will.
Anonymous 208240
>>208233What % of prostitutes in New Zealand is white New Zealander?
Anonymous 208258
>>208233It should be legalized entirely so that sex workers can become eligible for things like unemployment, maternity leave etc
I'm convinced that radfems who say that driving prostitution into an underground black market is good for sex workers are concern trolling and are really more just mad at the idea of coombrained moids getting to buy sex without penalty
Anonymous 208265
>>208258Fuck that noise. I don’t want you to encourage that shit. I want women to get empowered, not treated like a porn star. That’s no better the burka wearing home sitting women in the ms. Get a real job you loser
Anonymous 208267
>>208051I didn't say they have to stay poor forever, just that they can't take the planet destroying route that most industrialized nations have taken. Besides, the coal supply is not what it was 200 years ago, how would they take the same route when the supply no longer exists?
Anonymous 208269
>>208258Germany has legalized prostitution and they deny women food stamps and housing vouchers if the woman is unwilling to do sex work. If you think it would rapidly turn into that, you're wrong.
Anonymous 208273
>>208258Retarded, if you were to truly legalize it you need to enforce occupational safety rules like them wearing PPE like a medical professional (contact with bodily fluids), and no moid would tolerate that. Even then it's impossible to enforce those standards because prostituted women are literally being penetrated and even with condoms you can't fully prevent STDs.
Anonymous 208283
>>208258Or they can find another job that doesn't require selling consent to moids.
Anonymous 208366
>>208283There should really be more talk about no-experience or no degree jobs that first start off paying so-so wages, but you can advance in, like trades or security positions. I feel like women wouldn't be so pressured to become prostitutes if they knew that there were other options available besides work at mcdonalds and abrely afford rent or spend endless time and money she likely doesn't have getting a degree
Anonymous 208394
>>208234The library isn't constantly pushing those books on me, it's easy for me to avoid a section I don't like. The youtube algorithm is known to push certain types of videos regardless of your personal tastes. Similarly I don't mind using Reddit despite all the cancerous stuff on there because it's easy to go only to the subs I like, but I deleted Twitter because they kept "recommending" inflammatory tweets from people I didn't follow onto my timeline.
Anonymous 208396
>>208234I agree, and this is gonna be an unpopular opinion on here but imo I think as women that we have to get tougher. Men never tear each other down for stupid differences in opinion like we do, just shrug shit off and move on. I hate how every female only community inevitably spirals into infighting and pearl clutching mean girl antics, we have got to grow thicker skin and be more strategic in the way we approach things.
Anonymous 208410
>>208396Because men feel like they can beat us down either way, and run down everything in their path. They stand up for nothing sacred and theyre very frequently parasitic. A lot of women "pearlclutch" because theyre tired as fuck of this dynamic and the pickme scum who pander to said men. They ruin it for the rest of women. I feel like the pickme kind tends to infight about everything no matter what it is because they're accustomed to low tier social existence already.
Anonymous 208870
>>208233>>208258They said the same thing about pornography, which is essentially a form of prostitution. It doesn't "empower" women. It legalises the commodification of women's bodies and puts them under the control of male owned companies, much like pornography. It is men who will make money off it while women are forced to endure physical and mental abuse from customers.
Anonymous 208871
>>207935>>207936>>208033Because China and India have more people each than the whole EU. Global warming is much more an economic than political issue. Its actually quite hilarious when people get angry at countries like India or China for making large (but still lesser) pollution than US/EU, because it implies that emissions output should be equal between countries. But I suppose countries like Luxembourg will be very glad to know that can pollute as much as the US.
Anonymous 209127
>>208857Oh that's good. I'm going to remember that every time I feel lazy.
Anonymous 209803
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I just found out about r/sexpositivehomes. It's a bunch of people talking about how they watch porn with their kids and have sex in front of them, it's disturbing.
Anonymous 209825
>>209803Wtf. Having sex in front of children is actual sexual abuse, those kids should be taken from them.
Anonymous 209828
>>208857This is literally my motivation mantra every day, very based.
Anonymous 215351
watching a documentary called Four Wives-One Man. It's about a man, his four wives, and his mum, all living together in Iran.
First wife
>"I did not want him to have a second wife. He fell in love again and again, he beat me and I had to relent. He chose his cousin"
Second wife immediately after
>"I did not want to get married but my parents wanted it"
All the women multiple times throughout the documentary
>"he is so kind~"
Anonymous 215355
I'm still watching Four Wives-One Man and he's just beat one of them with a shepherd stick because she needs spackle, quite literally says "it feels like I'm going to die when I sit down" because he destroyed her tailbone, so she's asking for a love potion to give to him. I really do weep for women in these countries
Anonymous 215357
>>215355can't they do anything? Will their suffering just continue forever?
Anonymous 215362
>>215357Ayrt well it's almost over and the fourth wife has just told us that she has attempted to set herself on fire three times, and a little while before this a different wife said he beats her so badly the neighbours had to rescue her on several occasions. He also apparently hates all his kids which is surprisingly twist because he wants a fifth wife for the purpose if having more kids
Anonymous 215363
>>215362>the fourth wife has just told us that she has attempted to set herself on fire three timesat that point, if you're ready to check out of the world why not set him on fire too?
Anonymous 215364
>>215363I have no because there's four women vs one beer belly retard, I honest to God think they could murder him if they didn't resent eachother
Anonymous 215365
I apologise for flooding the thread a bit but the fifth wife is introduced at the very end and the screen fades to black as she says "love will give us a good life". I feel disgusted that I know she likely lived a life of abuse too
Anonymous 215367
>>215365isn't four is the limit for muslims
Anonymous 215369
>>215367I have no idea what the limit is but there's 5 by the end of it
Anonymous 215375
>>215355It's 4 vs 1 and they don't do anything? I have no sympathy for women who like being oppressed.
Anonymous 215378
>>215375I know it's insensitive and I feel awful saying this as someone who has never been through what they've been through but I can't help but think that women enduring beating and letting that violent man breed with them contributes for the patriarchy even if they don't intend to, that's just what keep the system alive. I understand that they're poor and that the entire society and the law system is against them but fighting back is surely better than a lifetime of beating and humiliation no matter the outcome of such rebellion.
Anonymous 215441
>>215375There are two very upsetting scenes in the documentary, the first being one of the wives offering her 9(ish) year old son a wife by buying the neighbour girl and the second being another one if the wives weeping as her toddler daughter is promised to a little boy who forcibly kisses her and (bizarrely at his age, he couldn't be older than 7) verbally objects to the idea of the little girl growing up to study while married to him. I believe the weeping wife is indicative of them being aware of how wrong things are, but to them this is the only way and it's quite literally hammered into them as children to accept this kind of gender based abuse/oppression. These women all genuinely love the fat abusive scrote and are very open about how upset they are when he brings home a new wife. It's all very strange how they never once fathom fighting back against him but actually threaten to murder other wives instead
Anonymous 215946
>>215441They've been taught from a young age to believe that they're going to hell if they don't love their husband and submit to him. That's abrahamic religions for you
Anonymous 215958
>>215441>promised to a little boy who forcibly kisses her and (bizarrely at his age, he couldn't be older than 7) verbally objects to the idea of the little girl growing up to study while married to himnuke this whole country jfc
Anonymous 216361
If you ever feel depressed, just google your state along with "prostitution bust". It's so satisfying seeing these moids mugshots after the consequences of their actions catch up with them.
Anonymous 216435
>>215378evolution doesn't care about human rights. if submissiveness to moid abuse leads to more offspring surviving and reproducing, nature will select for it. it's hard to view women who let moids walk all over them as my intellectual equal but I do have a lot of sympathy for them. a lot of times the alternative is death, jail time, or other horrific punishments
t. knows a woman spending life in jail for killing her disgusting husband
Anonymous 216566
>>216361That did make me smile. 12 men were arrested last month, and 3 human trafficking victims were saved
Anonymous 216585
>>208258I've got to ask two questions, would you be okay with children bringing their prostitute mothers to career day in schools and even recommending it to children when they get old enough? And if you were a prostitute, would you let your parents watch you work or vice versa if they went into the business?
>I'm convinced that radfems who say that driving prostitution into an underground black market is good for sex workers are concern trolling and are really more just mad at the idea of coombrained moids getting to buy sex without penaltyI don't call every person with a different opinion than me a scrote but this is very male thinking.
>These women are very upset about a problem that affects women…It must be because they hate my male happiness Anonymous 216586
>>208258https://youtube.com/@ellyarrowPlease watch this woman's videos and educate yourself on prostitution and the effects it has. It's been legal in Germany for a long time and it's been horrible for prostitutes.
Anonymous 216967
>>184422Lol no that bitch is a legit psycho specially if you read the manga
Anonymous 216981
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>cover your entire body and/or hair for your entire life just so that you can be desired more by your husband
>men are gay because they're sick of seeing women everywhere
>women are innately modest and caring
Anonymous 217047
>>207845>nations that industrialised before everyone else produced lots of pollution in the long runshocking, absolutely shocking.
Anonymous 217053
>>182225>looking good is entirely subjective>now let me post examples of people that look objectively bad because of plastic surgery because of 'uncannyness' Anonymous 217054
>>207676
>global warming
warming compared to what, we are just coming out of a little ice age and during the medieval warm period temperatures were hotter than today, yet the world was fine
Anonymous 217303
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>>217053Looking good is subjective. The only consistency you'll find is that humans like things to be symmetrical. But fads change constantly, and women who were considered great beauties of their time don't merit a second look later.
Anonymous 218864
>>217054Climate change deniers treat their ignorance like a religion. It's so bizarre, especially when they have kids. I truly think they can't comprehend the idea that their child, who they claim to love, is going to suffer because of their insistence on believing big oil's lies.
Anonymous 219444
>see comment on reddit from a woman who was married to a woman and sex-selected a female fetus
>she got in an argument with a man who pulled out the usual "society was created by men, ivf was created by men, you should be grateful for men and not choose to live with women" argument
so weird. men act like women popped into existence 100 years ago. we have been half of the population since time immemorial. imagine if women weren't allowed to use anything invented by men. that's before you even get into the fact that every breakthrough takes a village. in any case, plenty of men choose to live independently of social norms and strike out on their own terms, but i rarely see people say that a mountain man shouldn't have been allowed to use knives or pots they didn't craft with their own two hands.
Anonymous 219673
>>207935EU shares one currency and one visa regime. Their foreign policy is more or less uniform, and their total population is smaller than China and yet still they cause way more emissions than the Chinese. Take your western head out of your western ass.
Anonymous 219694
>>219673Agreed. You just know that anon is some kboo or weeb too.
Anonymous 233156
>>233148Patriarchy** patriarchy has poisoned and ruined everything from the beginning to intentionally ruin our minds and make us insecure and easy to manipulate into giving up sex. You do realize this right ?? Not all of human society. If we women had settled our mind and never listened to moid garbage again they'd give up, and we'd settle into comfortable indifference and never have to think of them again. But notice how a lot of them cling to the hate/ brainwashing/ dminishment of women and women's minds like their existence, sex life, depends on it. They need us more than we need them and we should never forget.
Anonymous 233160
>>233156"the patriarchy" sounds like such a conspiracy when its just the result of male nature and collective moid psyoping. most of it is unintentional, because scrotes are selfish, unthinking, soulless creatures
Anonymous 233174
>>219673does the concept of the EU being
27 different countries not go through your thick commie head?
Anonymous 233176
>>208871If small countries can't pollute as much as big countries, then let people in big countries freeze in winter and have their salary murdered by climate taxes and leave us the fuck alone.
Anonymous 233186
>>233160No they're just usually raised that way, and socialized that way, to have entitlements, and just want to protect the clusterfuck of entitlements they are born into or built for themselves.
The ones that arent raised to be entitled shits aren't like that. Ive met them.
Anonymous 233187
>>233186It can be both nature and nurture.
Anonymous 233577
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Saw a tweet that said something like taking aesthetic pics of radfem books to trick libfems into reading them and it made me lol
Anonymous 233699
>>233174NTA but the EU doesn't have as much population as China, and Europe is also
barely bigger than China, not by a lot. It doesn't matter how many small countries it's divided into. Are you just baiting?
