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Are friends even a good investment in my 20's? Anonymous 121251[Reply]

I grew up in a very feminine household with little to no male presence, with most of my friends being women up until the end of highschool. I fell out with some of my life long friends due to finding out they were only friends so they could steal from me, leaving only 1 that stayed because she didn't live in the same city as me. At the time I felt betrayed and closed myself off from the area I lived in, resorting to making friends online. I made a lot of friends, even getting introduced into their friend groups, but that lasted about 4 years until it imploded due to petty drama. I'm now 22 in college and I no longer hold hope for making friends despite being in a college that has more female than male students. I've had some bad experiences the few times I did try and reach out like not caring for me but being overly invested in my boyfriend, judging me constantly, or attempting to create a codependent relationship that is all about them. I've never had a friendship where I didn't experience at least one of those things. My biggest question is, does anyone have advice for how to overcome this cycle and make genuine friendships before I'm out of college? I want to make the most out of being in college, I'm not the most socially inclined person, but I do bring a lot of energy to conversations because I love connecting with others.

Anonymous 121252

>>121251
You will have to go through a lot of shit to find the gem you're looking for. That's how it goes. Maybe try finding friends in your hobby groups rather than university?
>judging me constantly
What? Why?

Anonymous 121257

>>121252
That's true, I'll check out some clubs the school offers.
They judge me over everything, it differs each day but it's usually about how I look

Anonymous 121260

>>121257
And what do you look like? I'm assuming you wear a particular style?



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THERAPISTS ARE SHIT Anonymous 120688[Reply]

A lot of therapists are unbearable interpersonally. They learn how to manipulate people by choosing their words carefully when they're in school and completely lose the ability to communicate genuinely with other people.

For most people this isn't a problem, but as someone who knows a lot of therapists, it makes it harder to make friends with them. Out of roughly 20 therapists I regularly communicate with, only 2-3 are capable of communicating without using therapeutic techniques. If I say "I'm going on a date and I'm worried it'll go well and I'll have to make lifestyle changes" these people say "sounds like you're worried about what comes next". No fucking shit, dude. You're supposed to laugh with me about it and say "it'll probably be fine" or something

Most therapists are awful at their job. In this training I was in yesterday, the trainer told the group that asking questions in therapy does not help the client. You're just supposed to manipulate, sorry, motivate them into completing their goals by reflecting stuff they say back to them (but only the stuff you like). Mental health trainings are so funny. Everyone just talks about the most effective ways to manipulate people but if you use the word manipulation everyone will scold you.

Most therapists come from wealthy backgrounds, don't have addiction or trauma experiences, and had the resources growing up to learn coping mechanisms to help them live with their extreme neuroticism. I worked with a lady once, we were doing adolescent substance abuse group treatment, and she would get mad and basically ground the clients for misbehaving. Like she was their mother. She believed her role was to "get them in line". She was afraid of drugs after doing pot once.

Another dude i worked with told me this client was "externalizing" and upset because of his divorce. But the client was actually schizophrenic and actively psychotic, but the clinician believed he was "faking" his delusions "to mess with" him. One clinician stopped seeing a client because the client didn't bathe, even though the client was seeing them for depression for which one of the symptoms was not being able to take care of themselves.

Therapists are deeply self righteous individuals and most of them are crap. People usually see 3-4 therapists before they find one they connect with well and feel cared for by. Therapy can be very helpful to you if you are lucky or if you have the time to shop Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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Anonymous 121087

>>121043
>I could care less
Always bugged me. My "english" teacher in middleschool spewed this out nonstop, so one day I dared to correct her and explain the logic behind it. With blank face she replied
>It's "I could care less"
People are stupid, and stupid people are too stupid to realize they're being stupid so they continue to propagate stupidity ad infinitum.

Psychologists are just a technology - a way to externalize the burdens of thinking and processing to someone else. Now if people are stupid then they're probably too stupid to glimpse into the stupidity of their therapist.

What is the cure to stupidity? It's worse than conscious evil, because then at least there's clear intention and can be anticipated and isn't forgiven after the fact, but we can't punish stupid people for being stupid, can we? Even though they bring en masse suffering to people with a braincell.

Anonymous 121095

>>121087
>but we can't punish stupid people for being stupid, can we?
I believe they're punished daily, no? Gambling is a tax for the mathematically illiterate. Other morons will buy garbage food, at exorbitant prices, that makes their bodies fatter, their minds tirederererer (more fatigued is the correct comparative, I think, but I'm tirederererer myself), and their wallets lighter; if they rubbed some neurons together, they would put something nutritious into their bodies (e.g. a banana, although your average man is too scared bananas might turn them gay and their wives straight) and spend twenty (2-wenty) minutes not plonked in front of the idiot box (i.e. a box for idiots, not a box that is an idiot) to afford them the time to cook something. Stupidity yields negative returns, and we're about three (3) generations deep, with zoomers almost completing the fourth (4th) generation of no-brained dimwits that are driving the world to unforeseen lows (a devastating turn of events, especially after the great heights [h8s] that were the nineteenth [9, 12.7182818…th] century [100ury] AD [80]). Morons punish themselves, so it's probably "immoral" to punish them twice (2ice) as an agent with free-will. You kinda just need to manipulate them for personal gain, but haters will call this "anti-social behaviour."
But who am I to judge? I made stirfry last night, and I burnt it because I got cocky and thought I could peel the carrot and chop the pak choy faster than the onions would fry to a nice respectable brown. I was punished for my stupidity with burnt onion.

Anonymous 121230

>>121095
>You kinda just need to manipulate them for personal gain, but haters will call this "anti-social behaviour." But who am I to judge?
nona, we all burn some onions(oh,ñons!) once in a while.
But burning people for my own gain seems to be nearly impossible since my parents have raised me to respect others(more than myself) which makes every instance of destructive stupidity all the more aggravating. I attribute every instance to a larger whole and see how it affects the world, and map my actions to avoid creating such bad outcomes. Which in turn gives me bad outcomes for my own life, why do I continue to care? Is there a way to develop a thinking pattern that is based on manipulation for own gain? To just turn cognitive empathy off for one second so it doesn't lead me to help others in their pursuits and instead I employ them for my own?

Anonymous 121237

>>121230
>onions(oh,ñons!)
Thank you for playing along!

>my parents have raised me to respect others(more than myself)

preaching to the choir!

>etc. & so forth

I was being… Facetious. Jocular, perhaps. Stupid people infuriate me, but I don't hate them, nor do I wish ill on them (even if their stupidity causes me grief). I… It's all luck. "Good" luck… "Bad" luck… one follows the other so readily that labels like "good" and "bad" seem inaccurate at best.

We (as in you and I, and not a general 'we' as in 'humanity') were born lucky, evinced by our shared capacity to string together a cogent sentence. We were also born lucky, evinced by our shared vexations with others. I have used lucky to mean opposite things here, perhaps you will get my message, perhaps not… I could care less (because I care some - I want my message to get across).

I yearn for a you, and perhaps you yearn for a me. A thoughtful friend with whom to share some silence; this, my life is missing. (I imagine that, if you are like me, you will sit by my side and say maybe three (3) words to me every hour (3600 seconds), and I in turn will ration out equally parsimonious locutions). Yet nature has scattered us far and wide for a clear reason - this reason is to punish us. Of course! God wants us (you and me, specifically) to suffer, and so suffer we shall. No, that's not right… Well I've been drinking anyway, I guess. Tomorrow is a public holiday so my festivities are, to a small degree, justified. I do this because I get so lonely. I get lonely despite having friends, because inasmuch as I love them, I can't help but feel that I'm rotting away out here. My tooth hurts. I'm sorry. I wish I could love my friends all the time. I am… an idiot. We should be kind to people. Being kind is the ultimate manipulation, because they will be kind to us in turn. Just avoid being nice. Being nice and being kind are not the same, and the former is an affront to all that I stand for.

Anonymous 121238

>>121237
Words of wisdom that ring (like a nice bronze bell) true to my ear. And to act upon wisdom gained, I shall wish you a good (Good) Friday, and this I say out of kindness (and not niceness!!).
>I imagine that, if you are like me, you will sit by my side and say maybe three (3) words to me every hour (3600 seconds), and I in turn will ration out equally parsimonious locutions
I often fear I am too predictable that way(like clockwork), how is it that choice words and great silence can bring a greater sense of togetherness than any ongoing noise which purpose is to remind that they whom are there, are in fact still there? Perhaps it is the kind gift of shared time to mull and ponder(pun, there) Which changes everything.
Why, I think(or rather, have learned) it's not a gift but a meaningful investment, for the resulting utterings are precious. Right you have been proven to be (B), nona.



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opinions? Anonymous 120832[Reply]

So basically my boyfriend is kind and loving but his gradually began talking to me like shit more frequently and over silly things. I would not be worried but sometimes when we fight his began doing things like push me or i tried to leave his mums house once to cool off and he grabbed me by my hair and shoved my face onto his bed so i couldnt leave, but this is kind of an isolated incident. im not sure if it is going to begin happening more often because his begun hitting or throwing things when he gets angry. We got into a fight about a month ago and i said i wanted to break up not cuz i wanted to but cuz i felt it was the mature decision but he threatend to kill me. im not retarded and i know these are red flags in a way but do you guys think its just heat of the moment anger in like isolated incidents or should i be worried? he never use to be like this and his dad beat his mum growing up so i really dont expect behaviour like this from someone who grew up seeing that but idk because im scared in the future it wont just be hair pulling and threats and might become serious. when it comes to the way he talks to me he kind of is just apathetic and mean then will become super loving and misses me so i just feel confused. i feel like his turning into someone i dont recognise but i love him so much, more than anyone ive ever loved before. i will probably talk to him about this and mention him turning into kind of a shitty person when his mad so i can combat the issue before it gets bad but i just am posting this here to ask for opinions or advice because i feel a little lost.
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Anonymous 120919

why are some women so restarted when it comes to men. this guy is going to kill you. he's probably going to stalk you when you leave him too

Anonymous 121214

once he thinks he can get away with it he wont stop. cliche but you'll find someone else. nobody's special

Anonymous 121215

once he thinks he can get away with it he wont stop. there are so many people out there man, even ones that dont want to kill you!

Anonymous 121216

what hes doing is a CRIMEEEE!!!!!!1 i know people are quick to tell women to break up with their boyfriends, but what he did to you is serious and a fucking crime. if a moid pushed me, grabbed my hair, shoved me or threatened to kill me id shoot him in the fucking head. leave.

Anonymous 121235

>>120832
What is it about him that you love?
Aside from that, I think he was hiding this type of behavior from you, and now that he feels comfortable with you, he is showing you is true self. If he is demonstrating aggressive and violent behavior, he may escalate to higher levels of aggression and hurt you. How much do you love him? Do you think you could love someone else just as much? Why do you want this man in your life? How important is he to you? Those are questions you should ask yourself.



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Anonymous 120571[Reply]

My boyfriend and I are on a break from our relationship because he tried to manipulate me in the past. He told me I wouldn't find anyone else who would be as patient as him if I were to break up with him and repeatedly sounded patronizing when we were discussing about deep subjects together. I wanted to break up with him immediately, then I noticed he acknowledged his mistakes before apologizing and now he's trying his best to avoid hurting me. I love him because I can see he's really willing to grow up for me, but I can't get over what he said when we were fighting. Recently he's been crying a lot because he wants our relationship to continue, should I forgive him and give him another chance?
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Anonymous 121149

>>120571
Honestly unless you say similar shit to him then no, that was completely uncalled for and he said that fully aware of what he was saying. Don't stockholm yourself for him, find other options right now and once you're secure, break things off with him.

Anonymous 121150

>>120571
Words are just words to guys he probably never intended to make ypu feel belittled at all if he's truly expressing a desire to change for you shouldn't you atleast give him a chance to?

Anonymous 121160

>>121150
>bullets are just bullets to guys, he probably never intended to make you feel shot at when he pulled the trigger
Moid apologism - not even once.

Anonymous 121205

>>120571
repeatedly sounded patronizing when we were discussing about deep subjects together

I would just dump him for this, can't stand know-it-alls

Anonymous 121233

>>120571
Forgive him if you think he's genuine. Everyone makes mistakes and as long as he's willing to grow up, forgiveness is an option. My last relationship got ruined for the same reason cus my SO wasn't willing to move on or forgive me even if I bettered myself. Now I'm happy in a new relationship where I've not made the same mistakes, I changed but he wasn't willing to accept it. ofc it isnt true for everyone but see both sides of the coin



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Anonymous 118981[Reply]

Why do many people who offer social skills advice act as if simply listening and asking questions is the right way to go?

A good connection happens very naturally between people making a genuine effort to understand eachother. You can't just ask questions like a job interview, otherwise it's totally one-sided and there is not really a connection. If they only talk about themselves and don't care about you, then you should just walk away.
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Anonymous 119770

I kinda have an issue with that, I fail to 'connect' with someone, but my questions are so good they usually start opening up about very personal stuff with me. I've found stuff about people that they haven't said to their family or long-time friends after just talking to them for a bit.

It's a bit frustrating. At some point I get bored but I just keep asking well-placed questions and they're loving it, completely letting it all out. Like g'damn, shut up lol.

Anonymous 119792

I think its a good strategy but its a lot of work. if you keep asking people about them, eventually someones going to wanna talk to you also.

Anonymous 119803

>>119770
This is so funny, I don't get my moids have such a problem listening without cutting in every second with answers! like dude just shut up and listen.

Anonymous 121210

>>118981
You're supposed to ask questions until you find something you have in common and then talk mutually about that topic.

Anonymous 121217

>>119803
Moids are very problem/solution-oriented. If they see something as a solvable problem they will chime in with "advice" to feel useful and try to fill the void in their heart where an actual personality should be.
>>119770
I get the same thing but I use it as a tactic. If I don't feel like talking about myself I just ask the guy something related to one of his personal interests and he will just keep yapping until I need the conversation to be over.



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I can't make friends Anonymous 120990[Reply]

can't really make meaningful friendship with other girls and it's been getting to me tbh. no one in my area has the same interests as me, and friend groups NEVER work out.

there's always some stupid petty drama that has the whole thing fall apart and has everyone hate each other until the end of time.

and other friends that i've had were always passive aggressive or in one-sided competition trying to "one up" me in any way possible to fuel their egos.

another friend i had just straight up started dating a known rapist from our old school and thinks life is all sunshine and rainbows.

idk, everything just feels kinda fake. i don't like how fake it is and have honestly just started removing myself from social spaces or groups entirely. my only friends are probably just my mom, sister and boyfriend of 2 years and i'm happy and fine but i still feel as though i need to have some kind of 'girlhood' or 'connection' in my life but i cba and dont know what to do at all because everyone in my area is just so boring and lame it feels like talking to a brick wall at all times.

hopefully when i travel abroad shit is gonna get better and i get to meet new people but man where i'm at right now just straight up fucking sucks and everyone is a copypaste of the next "big thing" online it's killing me.
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Anonymous 120999

>>120995
Oh wow…I really like reading comics western or eastern. I'm also a lot into films …horror films to be exact

Anonymous 121000

>>120990
>idk, everything just feels kinda fake. i don't like how fake it is and have honestly just started removing myself from social spaces or groups entirely. my only friends are probably just my mom, sister and boyfriend of 2 years and i'm happy and fine but i still feel as though i need to have some kind of 'girlhood' or 'connection' in my life but i cba and dont know what to do at all because everyone in my area is just so boring and lame it feels like talking to a brick wall at all times.

Most female friendships are competition, drama, talking behind each other's backs.

Try to make friends with women who aren't bitches.

Anonymous 121003

>>120991
>>120990
>cordial relationships with people irl like my peers and have friends online that I discuss my interests with
Real. The only adult women I have ever managed to be good friends with have been sourced from the computer. I've since met all of them IRL and know that women that I vibe with DO exist in the 3d space but I feel like girls like us in particular are cursed to never have local friends.

I also think that having close IRL friends as an adult is oversold to us as common and normal so we start to feel bad when we don't.

Anonymous 121004

>>121003
> I also think that having close IRL friends as an adult is oversold to us as common and normal so we start to feel bad when we don't

This part is so true. I feel like as an adult having friends is too risky. One and two are absolutely needed but more than that is annoying to everyone. I feel like as an adult your family is better and that should be your focus ( obv if your family is good )

Anonymous 121203

>>120990
I feel you on all that. Every time I try to make friends with my roommates or coworkers it seems to fall apart and im back to square one. Ive tried the online friendships too but they dont seem to stick around either. Had a rather traumatizing experience with one of the last girls I tried to befriend with her posting about me for months on end hating me behind my back and pretending to be my friend till I found out and called her out for it. Now im always concerned its gonna happen again so I dont even know if its worth it at this point



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Are lesbian relationships more empathetic and loving than het ones? Anonymous 119649[Reply]

Bisexual nona here, since being pinkpilled and observing male behavior ive wondered if lesbian relationships are more kind and understanding than heterosexual ones. It seems like women(myself included) to prioritize bonding and emotional intimacy and a deep bond.
(talked to moids before never gotten to even dating just some interest ig and self inserted into f4f fanfic and have sexual/romantic feelings for other women.so i have no experience just wanted to put that out there.)
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Anonymous 120788

I remember when I was a child, and my sisters were in HS. One of them had a bi phase with this dyke girl, and she came over one night while my parents and other sister were gone. They started arguing and her "gf" fucking takes a knife from our kitchen, and she started threatening to stab herself while my sister kept trying to take to take the knife from her…pretty manipulative.

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>>120788
This. Definitely can see more fights happening. Imagine both being super emotional and since you’re about the same size you’ll be more inclined to start fighting.

Granted with a moid, a fight is way scarier unless he’s a twink or old

Anonymous 121039

>>119649
Unless anyone can pull up good statistics, I'm honestly not sure I have much real reason to believe there to exist any disparity. >>119778 for example is good support of that.

Like, you'll see stuff like men are more likely to be violent, and thus violent to women than the other way around, test and all that, which is all true. Then you got stories like >>120788. So then you might say, "Oh, men are more violent, women will be more manipulative" - but are stories of men gaslighting women or using them not manipulation? And those things surely aren't uncommon.

Then you also see something like for some reason, when LGBT couples go to therapy, for some reason lesbian couples are way worse than gay or het couples in therapy. But like, they're going to therapy - aren't all couples in therapy gonna obviously have issues?!? And what metric is describing this, that lesbians are worse?

Surely there's more violent men than women, but will sticking to les/bi women gonna keep you safe from violence? Of course not. Whether it be violence, manipulation, empathy, things like estrogen or testosterone aren't the clear determinant of an individual's behavior. Can we really say that women are more empathetic and loving than men? Lots of people may say that (not gonna put my beliefs on this), but will this mean you're sure-fire gonna have an empathetic and loving partner should she be female? Have you never met a shitty woman, cause I have! Or a woman who sorta uses people cause she's pretty and she can and they let her, cause I have (not judging, go get em honestly).

I myself do my best to surround myself with decent people, and that includes both women and men. There are amazing lesbian relationships, and there are amazing het relationships where both individuals are empathetic and loving towards each other. If you notice the people around you which are loving and empathetic tend to be women, then great! Keep to them and treat them as well as they do you. But if they were male, I would've said that same thing. Slightly changing the words from the critic from Rattetouille, not everyone is empathetic and loving, but an empathetic and loving person can come from anywhere.

Anonymous 121164

Not inherently, but the average moid lacks empathy

Anonymous 121176

lol. lmao @ thinking lesbian relationships don't turn even more sour. been there done that don't fall for the meme political dykes try to push.

You don't need to lez out, get a support group for your shitty bfs



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Help (?) Anonymous 121056[Reply]

Nonas, I don't know how to really tackle this topic but I feel I need people to judge me and comment on my situation. I'm really not the brightest person around. I'm in my mid 20s and I still act like a 14 year old most of the time (I'm trying to work on that despite my mental illnesses which still, I'm self aware enough that I'm using it as a crutch to justify my problems when I'm perfectly aware I can work on them).

I dated someone for four years (he was my first partner ever), everything started great but eventually after the second year he became really abusive and I stuck around despite that with the whole retarded mentality of "I can make it work maybe, I can fix him, maybe I'm the problem (corny garbage in that same vein in general)." Eventually I managed to finally snap out of it and broke up with him. I am still hurt by that break-up and it still causes me a lot of emotional distress. However recently I just find gravitating myself towards people that are similar to my ex and I just keep getting hurt over and over again. I don't even know how end up across these people, I've been trying to isolate myself more and more and yet.

Is there any way I can start tackling this issue to stop with it? I want to work on this. I'm tired of dating abusive retards and yet somehow subconsciously I do end up seeking them out. Feel free to call me retarded or whatever, I need any sort of external judgement at this point.

Anonymous 121057

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I dont know what you’re talking about but good luck with it :D

Anonymous 121078

>>121064
Its not just childish media, I do like acting out for attention sometimes. Sometimes I like to fish for attention by being overly-cutesy with people.
Either way I have no idea how to socialize properly. I relied on my ex and the other failed relationship I had to meet people. Its really awkward and painful having to share a friend group with those idiots, their friends are the only people I have. The only other human interaction I really have with my step-sister but she now works and I barely get to see her and do stuff with her. Before dating my ex I literally had 0 concept of a friend group which is certainly something.
My hobbies are kinda niche currently and dunno, do you just suggest I kind of just look through some pisscord or something?

Anonymous 121096

I don't know how to solve it but I know a girl with similar issues as you. She got married to a nice guy after a lifetime of being with crappy people. I don't know how she did it but I heard it was hard getting adjusted to. But I do think it's about recognizing your own patterns, behaviours, reactions, and making conscious decisions to do differently. Stay strong

Anonymous 121158

>>121056
i mean just think like this: you already broke up with your boyfriend because he'd hurt you. so why get into a relationship with another moid who has similar personality flaws when that was the very reason your last relationship ended? its kind of like just speedrunning a breakup. but im sorry that your first bf changed/showed his true colors after a year of kindness. thats honestly really sickening and disgusting. seek therapy i think



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Anonymous 120650[Reply]

>have bf for 2 months
>cute and romantic, caring, sweet, never pressured me to do anything
>lots of eye contact
>we had sex for the first time last night
>don't really want to, but follow his lead because it's what he wants
>it's over
>he didn't look into my eyes the whole time
>no cuddles or holding me
>cold and emotionally distanced immediately after sex
>things weren't the same after that
>doesn't really be caring or romantic the way he used to
>we don't talk or text as much as before
>ask if he is feeling okay, if anything is going on in his life, if i can help in any way (even if it's more sex)
>get nothing back

Why are men like this?
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Anonymous 120672

>>120656
marriage is a horrible word, imagine having to see one certain moid every single day until the very end, that’s so depressing

Anonymous 120677

>>120672
>imagine having to see your loved one every single day until the very end
Sounds great

Anonymous 120899

Didn’t do anything weird or nasty?

Anonymous 121040

>>120650
Likely he's a pos but you could just talk to him about it before making the conclusion definite

Anonymous 121154

honestly, confront him. if this isnt larp or a lie or whatever. like meet up with him in person and be aggressive and put your foot down and just ask WHY. then decide what you want to do afterwards, but you first need to find out why and you should also tell him why he shouldnt treat someone that way.



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Anonymous 119842[Reply]

When was the last time you went out on a date and how was it?
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Anonymous 121139

>>121138
Show me a man who is honest about their usage of social media and I will show you a liar.

Anonymous 121140

>>121139
How does having an insta account prevent him from talking to women on tinder?

Anonymous 121141

>>121140
How does saying you don't use social media prevent you from lying about using social media?

Anonymous 121142

>>121141
See, now you get what I mean.

Anonymous 121151

>>121142
We're on the same side so I don't know why you think you were arguing with me



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